Ubnt is there and has a keynote. Last what, 3 years? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 26, 2013 10:21 PM, "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> wrote:
> I thought AF was just a Moto....er.... Cambium thing. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Will it be at AF? ISP America? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Jan 26, 2013 8:32 PM, "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> > wrote: > >> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing >> like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. >> ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> >> wrote: >> >> So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the >> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are >> they wide open and you get what you buy? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> >> wrote: >> >> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the >> previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I >> don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international >> examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like >> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market >> is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The specs on the dual band sector are:**** >> >> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV**** >> >> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC >> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:**** >> >> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >> 5 GHz: 49 dBm**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea >> of range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source >> (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile >> away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story >> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume >> mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as >> well, so that should help the range too.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Patrick Leary**** >> >> Alvarion**** >> >> 727.501.3735**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] >> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Patrick,**** >> >> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running >> 3X3? >> >> Sent from my iPad**** >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> >> wrote:**** >> >> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy >> b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature >> 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >> **** >> >> **** >> >> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 >> antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.**** >> >> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again >> with each band 3x3. **** >> >> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 >> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.**** >> >> **** >> >> Yes John, we have client devices, among them:**** >> >> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small >> form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts >> indoor. It is a really effective little box.**** >> >> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.**** >> >> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.**** >> >> **** >> >> I have to check as there may be others.**** >> >> **** >> >> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.**** >> >> **** >> >> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target >> all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. >> This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have >> several other patented interference mitigation techniques.**** >> >> **** >> >> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the >> 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 >> feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks.**** >> >> **** >> >> Patrick Leary**** >> >> Alvarion**** >> >> 727.501.3735**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] >> *On Behalf Of *Tyson Shreeves >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >> *To:* j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?**** >> >> **** >> >> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for >> trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single >> ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some >> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only >> not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer >> ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use >> something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to >> penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni >> (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The >> new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) and supposedly can >> handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we >> have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it >> and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific >> questions I didn't answer let me know.**** >> >> **** >> >> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID***** >> >> >> >> John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net> wrote: >> >> Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it >> omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer >> link? Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use >> plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or >> Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How >> many deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to >> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a >> show but I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be >> a real outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results >> about this device.**** >> >> Thank you,**** >> >> Scriv**** >> >> **** >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves <ty...@wigi.us> wrote:*** >> * >> >> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little >> pricey though.**** >> >> **** >> >> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID***** >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:**** >> >> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff.**** >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373**** >> >> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> wrote:**** >> >> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. >> >> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd >> consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are >> generally too low of throughput to be useful. >> >> I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi >> space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. >> Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. >> >> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It >> looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. >> >> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I >> have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matt Jenkins" <m...@smarterbroadband.net> >> To: us...@wug.cc, "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone >> successfully deploying something else to service both residential and >> business customers? >> >> Thanks, >> >> - Matt >> _______________________________________________ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> _______________________________________________ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless**** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wireless mailing list >> 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