Nice. Count me in. Sent from my iPad
On Jan 26, 2013, at 20:31, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> wrote: > Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like > VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This > is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote: > >> So when can more information about these devices be had? Is the licensing >> going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year? Or are they wide >> open and you get what you buy? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> wrote: >> >>> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the >>> previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I >>> don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most international >>> examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like >>> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market >>> is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions. >>> >>> The specs on the dual band sector are: >>> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV >>> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV >>> >>> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC >>> requirements because of the adaptive beamforming: >>> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >>> 5 GHz: 49 dBm >>> >>> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of >>> range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my >>> engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away >>> from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. >>> I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS >>> to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so >>> that should help the range too. >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Alvarion >>> 727.501.3735 >>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> Patrick, >>> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running >>> 3X3? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@alvarion.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g >>> version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >>> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature >>> 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >>> >>> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 >>> antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want. >>> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with >>> each band 3x3. >>> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 >>> diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. >>> >>> Yes John, we have client devices, among them: >>> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small >>> form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts >>> indoor. It is a really effective little box. >>> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. >>> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount. >>> >>> I have to check as there may be others. >>> >>> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate. >>> >>> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all >>> the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. >>> This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have >>> several other patented interference mitigation techniques. >>> >>> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 >>> series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet >>> deep) boxes and feel like tanks. >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Alvarion >>> 727.501.3735 >>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves >>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >>> To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for >>> trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single >>> ap. The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some >>> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only >>> not N. Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer >>> ubnt dual mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use >>> something called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to >>> penetrate or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni >>> (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight. The >>> new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 & 5.8) and supposedly can >>> handle double the amount of clients. And another plus is the few times we >>> have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui email it >>> and they are good about troubleshooting with you. If u have specific >>> questions I didn't answer let me know. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >>> >>> >>> John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net> wrote: >>> >>> Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it >>> omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer >>> link? Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use >>> plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or >>> Proxim WARP or old Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How >>> many deployments? Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to >>> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a >>> show but I am always hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be >>> a real outdoor delivery platform. Very interested to hear your results >>> about this device. >>> Thank you, >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves <ty...@wigi.us> wrote: >>> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's. They can b a little >>> pricey though. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of. >>> >>> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd >>> consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are >>> generally too low of throughput to be useful. >>> >>> I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi >>> space to not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. >>> Mikrotik has their whole RouterOS behind it and generally works. >>> >>> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It >>> looks really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive. >>> >>> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I >>> have areas where I could put something multiples higher to use. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Matt Jenkins" <m...@smarterbroadband.net> >>> To: us...@wug.cc, "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >>> >>> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone >>> successfully deploying something else to service both residential and >>> business customers? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> - Matt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 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