So if this is correct, my installers have to be licensed electricians? Or is the consensus that we are exempt? If I have to hire licensed electricians for the installs it's going to be very expensive and I'll have to stop waiving install fees. Based on what I've seen though we are excluded.
Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On May 12, 2017, at 11:44 AM, James Wilson <ja...@ridgecomms.com> wrote: > > Maybe the device can be considered the POE injector? > >> On May 12, 2017 1:42 PM, "Paul McNary" <c...@northmo.net> wrote: >> So does that indicate that Dish and direct tv will also not be exempt in his >> interpretation? >> >> Paul >> >>> On 5/12/2017 12:32 PM, Mitch wrote: >>> Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector >>> >>> His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power >>> >>> from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as >>> >>> telco and CATV). >>> >>> If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property >>> >>> then it is NOT exempt. >>> >>> This is how I read it >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/12/2017 11:16 AM, garrettshan...@vabb.com wrote: >>>> Considering V.A. doesn't have a separate certification for low voltage, I >>>> certainly hope we're excluded. It would be difficult to get all of our >>>> technicians though a 3 year apprenticeship as required by law for a full >>>> certification. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 12:10pm >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New NEC rule it may hurt WISPs >>>> >>>> Ummm. We are exclusively excluded. You even highlighted it. >>>> >>>> On May 12, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Mitch <mi...@abetterwireless.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Looks like all installers will have to be licensed >>>> Electricians >>>> for everything and anything that connects to a power source???? >>>> Am I reading wrong? >>>> >>>> >>>> NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE >>>> >>>> 90.2 Scope. >>>> (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and removal of electrical >>>> conductors, equipment, and raceways; signaling and communications >>>> conductors, equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and raceways >>>> for the following: >>>> (1) Public and private premises, including buildings, structures, mobile >>>> homes, recreational vehicles, and floating buildings >>>> (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial substations >>>> (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply >>>> of electricity >>>> (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as office buildings, >>>> warehouses, garages, machine shops, and recreational buildings, that are >>>> not an integral part of a generating plant, substation, or control center >>>> (B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following: >>>> (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than floating buildings, >>>> railway rolling stock, aircraft, or automotive vehicles >>>> other than mobile homes and recreational vehicles >>>> Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code indicates that the >>>> Code does not cover installations in ships, portions of this Code are >>>> incorporated by reference into Title 46, Code of >>>> Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113. >>>> (2) Installations underground in mines and self-propelled mobile surface >>>> mining machinery and its attendant electrical trailing cable >>>> (3) Installations of railways for generation, transformation, >>>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of power used exclusively >>>> for operation of rolling stock or installations used exclusively for >>>> signaling and communications purposes >>>> (4) Installations of communications equipment under the exclusive control >>>> of communications utilities located outdoors or in building spaces used >>>> exclusively for such installations >>>> (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an electric utility where >>>> such installations >>>> a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and associated metering, >>>> or >>>> b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric utility for the purpose >>>> of communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, >>>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or >>>> c. Are located in legally established easements or rights-of-way, or >>>> d. Are located by other written agreements either designated by or >>>> recognized by public service commissions, utility commissions, or other >>>> regulatory agencies having jurisdiction for such installations. These >>>> written agreements shall be limited to installations for the purpose of >>>> communications, metering, generation, control, transformation, >>>> transmission, energy storage, or distribution of >>>> electric energy where legally established easements or rights-of-way >>>> cannot be obtained. These installations shall be limited to federal lands, >>>> Native American reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior >>>> Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands controlled by port >>>> authorities and state agencies and departments, and lands owned by >>>> railroads. >>>> Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may include those >>>> entities that are typically designated or recognized by governmental law >>>> or regulation by public service/utility commissions and that install, >>>> operate, and maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, >>>> or distribution systems) or communications systems (such as telephone, >>>> CATV, >>>> Internet, satellite, or data services). Utilities may be subject to >>>> compliance with codes and standards covering their regulated activities as >>>> adopted under governmental law or regulation. >>>> Additional information can be found through consultation with the >>>> appropriate governmental bodies, such as state regulatory commissions, the >>>> Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, and the Federal Communications >>>> Commission. >>>> (C) Special Permission. The authority having jurisdiction for enforcing >>>> this Code may grant exception for the installation of conductors and >>>> equipment that are not under the exclusive control of the >>>> electric utilities and are used to connect the electric utility supply >>>> system to the service conductors of the premises served, provided such >>>> installations are outside a building or structure, or terminate inside at >>>> a readily accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the service >>>> conductors. >>>> >>>> -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> -- >>> Mitch Koep >>> >>> A Better Wireless >>> 218-851-8689 cell >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > _______________________________________________ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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