Robert,

EXCELLENT TEST!  I determined that the STARTUPURL version is showing
www.mydomain.com:80 and the browser version is showing www.mydomain.com

Also.. I'm noticing that the :80 version is runs serveral times after the
server gets started (the variableTimeoutTrigger is also set to the same URL,
so maybe the domain var is timing out right away in some cases).

My domains.ini file looks like:

[Domains]
www.mydomain.com
www.mydomain.com:80

but that doesn't seem to change anything... I'm ALMOST THERE!  Please help
me get this resolved.

Jim Kass
Web Developer

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Shubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 1:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.


It still sounds like either the startupurl is not firing on the proper
domain. Add to your startupurl TAF to email you <@DOMAIN> and see what
it responds from both executions (statup and browser)

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.


Here is the problem exactly:

I use a taf to purge all domain variables, then restart the server. I
can
see in the log file that my domain variable IS BEING SET(and thus the
URL is
being hit), but then when I try to use a taf that reads the domain vars,
it
shows that they are still purged.  If I go to the startupurl file with
my
browser, the log file shows exactly the same result as before, but now
going
back to my domain var reader taf, the domain vars are set.

I hope that helps to explain it better.

TIA

Jim Kass
Web Developer

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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Cadillac [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.


Hi Jim,

I admit I haven't read every post on this thread, but I can confirm that
the
method you just
described does work.

There must be some other problem getting in the way for you.

Although you can likely reach 'http://www.website.com/' from the browser
on
your
workstation, it does not necessarily mean the Server can find itself
as 'http://www.website.com/'.

In order for STARTUPURL to work, the Server Witango is running on must
be
able to reach this
address and the problem with the STARTUPURL process is that there is
nothing
"visual" to
indicate the process completed successfully.

Have you tried pinging the address from the Server itself? Or opened a
browser on the Server
and surfed to 'http://www.website.com/'?

Can you reach it? If not, try modifying the HOSTS file on the Server or
correct the local
DNS configuration - then start over and test it again.

Hope this helps. Cheers.....

Scott Cadillac,
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Kass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:22:55 -0800
Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.

>
>
> So, then by that reational - if I test and use the startupurl with
> 'http://www.website.com/startup.taf' domain... then any domain var
> assignments there should be able to impact domain vars on
> http://www.website.com/index.taf.
>
> The problem is... they don't!
>
> With the exception of writing code that sits at the head of EVERY
> SINGLE taf
> (we have 100s right now), is there no other way that Tango can
> essentially
> "preload" certain variables that are used globally in every taf on the
> server??!
>
> I guess my big question is can you set global/domain variables using a
> STARTUPURL (has anyone a proven method of doing this before), and
> if not, then is there another solution that someone has in mind.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim Kass
> Web Developer
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Shubert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.
>
>
> A few things to note:
>
> It's generally good practice to set an additional domain variable
> something like: <@ASSIGN domain$vars_ok 1> Then at the top of each
TAF,
> place an IF statement checking for @@domain$vars_ok != 1. If so,
branch
> to your domain variable rebuild TAF. In your setup, it sounds like
your
> domain variable set is an all-or-nothing issue. This will ensure that
> your variables are present before any execution occurs.
>
> The second thing to note is that domain variables are dependant on the
> domain which is the entire URL, including the host, thus "website.com"
> and "www.website.com" are two separate domains. If you're testing at
> one, and running your startupurl at another, you'll have the outcome
> you
> describe (and rather unpredictable results). You can use domains.ini
to
> combine URL variations like that into one 'tango' domain, or simply
use
> @URL to call your domain setup TAF at all possible domain variations.
>
> Robert Shubert
> Tronics
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com
> Subject: Witango-Talk: STARTUPURL configuration var.
>
> I'm using dynamic DataSources... specified with domain scoped
> variable(s).
> Whent the server restarts I'm noticing strange behavior...
> in some cases, the domain vars die, but in most cases they are still
> alive.
>
> I used a taf to clear domain vars manually, and restarted the server.
> The STARTUPURL that I set in t4server.ini which creates the domain
vars
> I
> need shows it is setting them in the log, but then when I try to use a
> file
> that requires it, it fails... another taf used to view vars shows that
> the
> domain vars are as blank as when I cleared them before the restart.
>
> If I run the taf that the STARTUPURL points to manually... it sets all
> the
> vars I want and they are accessible, and after the server is
restarted,
> they
> are still alive.
>
> I'm awfully confused.  The default timeout is set to 120.  I'm setting
> a
> variableTimeoutTrigger to the same taf as STARTUPURL.  My big concern
> here
> is that sometimes these domain vars are dying and because they are
> being
> used to indicate a database connection - pretty important things will
> break
> in the middle of the night after a server restart without my
knowing...
> a
> serious problem as far as I'm concerned.
>
> I'd think that setting the variableTimeoutTrigger to the STARTUPURL
taf
> would ensure that even if they die that they still get rebuilt, but
> considering that the variable assignments dont seemt to be happening
> anyway
> other than in the logs... I'm at a loss for how to ensure 100% uptime
> of
> these vars.  (Maybe the ultra-unelegant solution of putting the
> STARTUPURL
> taf on a cron... hoping that it behaves differently than when the
> server
> restarts).
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Jim Kass
> Web Developer
>
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