I agree on the wysiwyg. We always get our art done, build our templates, sign off on them, then separate pres and bus and code.

I do like the idea of having wysiwyg html in php ide, but it wouldn't be used for the bulk of coding, just prototyping.

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On Jan 29, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Beverly Voth wrote:

Instead of throwing stones (one way or the other)....

I promote MVC in whatever I work.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller>

Now, it's probably not perfect, but it goes a far site better than trying to do it all one way and run into those "porting problems", should they come
along. (smile)

I guess I really never liked using the WYSIWYG approach to web development
and the tango/witango cute little development environment is nearly
*required* to be used. However, one certainly has always had the opportunity to use @INCLUDE. And I do, as often as possible to give me as much MVC as I
can squeeze out of Witango.

For those of you that need to have your SQL written for you in the WYSIWYG environment, or can't code HTML without it, then you are limited by what you
get (the WYG is all you can do).

The With folks just cannot create an application for you that does this:

   (one button):    CREATE MY SITE

If they can create a great framework, you can use other means to make it
work better.


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Beverly Voth                Tier3 Data & Web Services Group, LLC
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        Web Design & Hosting * Apple Consultants Network
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  Over 12 years experience integrating databases and the internet!



On 1/29/08 2:58 PM, "Rick Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or
in part:

Pretty bad when were discussing what other programming platforms to use for
our upcoming projects on the WiTango talk list.

I'm not throwing stones one bit. I just hope that With is watching and listening to what's going on. Because there's been no word from With, or any
news, and we are starting to make informed business decisions about
development platforms. After all, we're all business people and we have to
do what's right for our business.

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