We want to only offer all-in-one (with and without the JRE) packages, no patches which *require* a previous installation.
Tom John Nannenga wrote: > In this case, you might want to consider authoring a patch which targets both > product's MSIs? (instead of trying to use a single MSI to update [what are > essentially] multiple SKUs) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Singer > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:32 AM > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Keep optional directory on upgrade > > Hi John, > > Thank you for the idea! > >> Out of total curiosity though, if the user is upgrading to the application >> that shouldn't contain the JRE, why does the JRE need to hang around? >> (Especially since, if you uninstall the installation w/JRE through ARP you >> expect the JRE to be uninstalled?) > > Sorry for the misunderstanding. If the user first installs the initial > installer WITH JRE, it has to be installed of course. Otherwise he would > have been able to download the smaller installer package without JRE. > > If we now release a bug fix, he should be able to install the installer > package without the JRE to keep his already installed JRE (and to safe us > band-width). > > First installation: > - Always install the JRE if it is contained in the installer package. > > Update installation on top: > - If installing the bundle with JRE, the previously installed JRE should be > replaced. > - If installing the bundle without JRE, the previously installed JRE should > be kept. > > Uninstallation: > - The JRE should be uninstalled if it was installed. > > -- > Tom > > > John Nannenga wrote: >> Ok, so these are essentially components within your installation. >> >> In theory then, one way to accomplish this is to create a 'hidden' feature >> (perhaps called "JRE") within your application installation that shouldn't >> install the JRE, and add the same ComponentGroupRef to that feature. >> Condition the "JRE" feature to only be installed when your upgrade property >> is present. This way, on a normal installation of this application, the JRE >> is not installed. When the application with the JRE is installed and >> subsequently upgraded to the application without the JRE, the JRE components >> will be ref-counted [not installed] and not removed during the upgrade >> process [assuming you author an efficient upgrade]. After upgrading, should >> the user go to ARP and remove this installation, the JRE components will >> then be un-installed. >> >> Things can get a little cleaner if you have a feature in your application >> installation that should contain the JRE that itself only installs the JRE >> [i.e., if you have a feature ID called "JRE"]; as then you should be able to >> let the MigrateFeatureStates do its magic. >> >> >> >> Out of total curiosity though, if the user is upgrading to the application >> that shouldn't contain the JRE, why does the JRE need to hang around? >> (Especially since, if you uninstall the installation w/JRE through ARP you >> expect the JRE to be uninstalled?) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Singer [EMAIL >> PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:17 PM >> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Keep optional directory on upgrade >> >> Thanks for biting. ;) >> >>> How does your application installation (the one with JRE) deploy the JRE? >> As a <ComponentGroupRef Id="componentGroupJre" />. The jre.wxs file is >> generated using heat using the fragment template and fine tuned with XSLT >> (adding the <DirectoryRef Id="DIR_INSTALL">...</DirectoryRef> and setting >> the Id of the ComponentGroup. >> >>> What specifically is meant by "with embedded Java Runtime Environment"? >> In contrast to, for example, the dot-net runtime, the JRE works fine when an >> installed JRE directory is just *copied* to a new machine (without invoking >> an installer which adds a myriad of registry keys and fully integrates into >> the target machine). >> >> -- >> Tom >> >> >> John Nannenga wrote: >>> This seems a little odd, but what the heck, I'll bite. >>> >>> However, since I don't know anything about the Java Runtime Environment, I >>> need more info. How does your application installation (the one with JRE) >>> deploy the JRE? Merge modules? Components you authored yourself into your >>> package? MSI chaining? etc... (What specifically is meant by "with >>> embedded Java Runtime Environment"?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Singer [EMAIL >>> PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:36 AM >>> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. >>> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Keep optional directory on upgrade >>> >>> After I received so good feed-back for the file-gets-overwritten-problem - >>> does someone have an idea how to handle this issue? >>> >>> -- >>> Tom >>> >>> Thomas Singer wrote: >>>> Our application is available in two different versions - one with embedded >>>> Java Runtime Environment (JRE) and one without. The JRE is nothing else >>>> than >>>> a directory in the installation directory (no special registry settings). >>>> We >>>> don't provide special update packages (containing just the differences), >>>> but >>>> instead all packages we provide are complete packages (without thinking >>>> about the JRE). >>>> >>>> When a user first installs a version with JRE and later a new version >>>> without JRE, the jre-directory is removed/uninstalled. What would be the >>>> best solution to uninstall the JRE only if the user uninstalls the >>>> application using Add/Remove, but not when installing a newer version on >>>> top? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Tom >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! >>> Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, >>> along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness >>> and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WiX-users mailing list >>> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! >>> Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, >>> along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness >>> and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WiX-users mailing list >>> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! >> Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, >> along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness >> and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 >> _______________________________________________ >> WiX-users mailing list >> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! >> Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, >> along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness >> and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 >> _______________________________________________ >> WiX-users mailing list >> WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! > Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, > along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness > and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! > Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, > along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness > and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 _______________________________________________ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
