Wow. That is some really nice "take it or leave it" strongarm tactics there.
And a big part if the reason I personally dislike GNU, and don't contribute to their projects.On Nov 21, 2014 8:15 AM, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro <oitofe...@gnu.org> wrote: > > Em Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:45:47 +0000 > "Carlos R. Mafra" <crma...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > > Ok, I see the "integration within the GNU project". I thought that it > > would be simpler, that we could keep our development infrastructure > > and could keep on doing things the way we have been doing for the > > last 6 years. That you guys would simply download the tarballs and > > put it in your system. After all Window Maker is under the GPL etc. > > It's not an absolute requirement to use GNU development > infrastructure, albeit strongly recommended. Most things can be just > mirrored from or forwarded to the current development facilities. > However, obviously, your commitment to the GNU project would *not* > just be to provide a tarball for us to put in GNU. There are some > necessary things that must be observed: those are all described in the > GNU maintainers manual. > > > > Accepting this proposal deviates too much from what's been > > established in the past years and imposes a time cost on the > > maintainer (me). I'd have to integrate with the GNU infrastructure > > and its way of doing things while things are already working right > > now without any extra effort from my side. > > The GNU project thought it would be beneficial for both communities to > join efforts (GNU and Window Maker), as our primary wishes and > endeavor are always directed to the prospect of collaboration. Of > course, all those benefits wouldn't come without any effort or > commitment of your or our own part. We judge it's worth; unfortunately > you don't hold the same view. > > > > We would need to change the name to GNU Window Maker, we would > > all need to talk about GNU/linux, we could not say "open source" > > anymore and we would need to move the code to some other development > > place and move our mailing list etc etc etc. > > Except from the part of moving the code repository and mailing lists, > all other topics you cited are, naturally, mandatory: this is the GNU > project, after all. > > > > I don't have the time for this. I'm used to the current setup > > (which helped to resurrect a dead Window Maker development) and > > I am happy with it. > > I see. However, I urge you to think beyond yourself: think about the > Window Maker and larger free software community and the benefits you > are possibly giving up just for your personal convenience's sake; your > decision may as well affect many more people besides yourself. The > GNU project has a strong stance in ethics and principles, and one of > the fundamental lessons we've learned is that no real gain comes > without some sacrifice. > > > > Moving to the GNU system right now could help Window Maker gain some > > visibility but from my point of view you could also simply use > > Window Maker without requiring all this. > > That's not how it works. In order to advance the cause of free > software, with the final goal of winning the battle against > proprietary software, the GNU project aims to make GNU a complete and > coherent operating system whilst promoting its philosophy and actively > defending users' freedom. Therefore, we have to make sure that all > pieces of the GNU system fit well philosophically, politically and > technically together. > > > > I am the current maintainer, in the current 6-year-old setup. > > I don't want to change under the GNU umbrella and be bounded by > > its philosophy and way of doing things. I don't have time to > > learn all the needed stuff and change my ways of doing things. > > I'm really sorry to hear that. > > > > I'd say that if you want to use Window Maker, then use it. > > We'd rather fork it. > > We appreciate your 6 years of maintenance. However, almost all of > Window Maker's code is copyrighted by Alfredo K. Kojima the original > author and GNU maintainer who developed it, originally, for the GNU > project. The Window Maker's history is strongly linked to the GNU > project, and knowledgeable people know that. Actually Window Maker's > documentation is filled with explicit references to that fact. > > If the GNU project decides to maintain GNU Window Maker, do you think > our version will be considered a fork of yours, or the converse? > > The GNU project is really sorry that you've declined to cooperate, > because our policy is to avoid a fork by all means. Now, > unfortunately, we have no choice. > > > -- > ,= ,-_-. =. Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro (oitofelix) [0x28D618AF] > ((_/)o o(\_)) There is no system but GNU; > `-'(. .)`-' GNU Linux-Libre is one of its official kernels; > \_/ All software must be free as in freedom; > > > -- > To unsubscribe, send mail to wmaker-dev-unsubscr...@lists.windowmaker.org.
