Assuming it's only a "soundtrack" and doesn't require any controlling, ie: play, pause, volume, etc. then a tiny .swf containing the music track (again set to loop, without control) could sit fairly unobtrusive, and marked up, at the bottom of your HTML. However as has been pointed out, without that control, he could do his reputation more damage than good.
A better approach if it were my client would be to persuade them that plugging music (oh so subjective!) into the site for some spurious benefit is better abandoned for a clean standards page. Especially for a nightclub, a good visual website will stay relevant much longer than a "hot" soundtrack. It's not an area I'm well informed in, but others might be able to answer this, but is it possible to pull in an API from say Last.fm and let users chose their own soundtrack? On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:04 PM, jenni provenzano-sherwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realize this is wsg, but why not do the whole site in flash, how many > pages could it be! > or at least do the frameset banner in flash. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:20 AM > Subject: WSG Digest > > > ********************************************************************* > WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST > ********************************************************************* > > > From: John Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:26:32 +1100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good > example of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. > > > On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: > > > hi, > > Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. > > The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. > > What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing > > music track? > > I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want > > some feedback of the dangers of this. > > > > -thanks in advance > > kev > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > best wishes, > > John Hancock > Identity > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > t: +61 2 8012 2967 > f: +61 2 9799 6135 > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Faul, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:26:52 -0400 > Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest > > I will be out of the office on Monday March 17. 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If not that then I would suggest teh next > course is a flash player but at half volume and make SURE that the START and > STOP button is easy to find. > > I wouldn't use a frameset for anything. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:26 AM, John Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example > > of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. > > > > On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: > > > > hi, > > Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. > > The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. > > What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music > > track? > > I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some > > feedback of the dangers of this. > > > > -thanks in advance > > kev > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > John Hancock > > *Identity* > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > t: +61 2 8012 2967 > > f: +61 2 9799 6135 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > -- > Frederick > > > ********************************************************************* > From: dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:58:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > On 3/17/08, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hi, > > Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. > > The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. > > What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music > > track? > > > > i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose. not > everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many visitors > because of the continuous track with no way to stop it. on the other hand a > visitor could mute the sound. > dwain > > -- > dwain alford > "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; > for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky > > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Nick Stamoulis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:08:40 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > Hi Kev, > > I would recommend that you do not loop music as this often does not sit well > with many types of visitors. If you offer a choice for visitors to turn off > the sound as well... > > Good luck with the site! > Nick > > > > > Nick Stamoulis > President > Brick Marketing > Direct: 781-350-4365 > Cell: 781-223-3651 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]  > http://www.BrickMarketing.com  > > Read Daily Updates In My Blog: > http://www.SearchEngineOptimizationJournal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > From: "John Hancock" >;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, March 17, 2008 12:26 > > > > > > > > I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example > of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. > > > > > > On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: > > hi, > Im doing a site for a nightclub.  So im doing a hybrid. > The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. > What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music > track? > I mean the only solution that  is a frameset right but i just want some > feedback of the dangers of this. > > -thanks in advance > kev > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > John Hancock > Identity > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > t: +61 2 8012 2967 > f: +61 2 9799 6135 > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* > From: David Hucklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:12:53 -0700 > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:10:31 +0000, kevin mcmonagle wrote: > > hi, > > Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has > demanded a music > > track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a > continually > > playing music track? > > Hi Kev - Because I am on dial-up at home, I get out a lot. :) > At the various Wi-Fi hotspots I inhabit, I see many surfing with their > headphones on, listening to their own sound track. I can only imagine > that, should they come across a site playing something not of their > choice over the top of their music, that they would hit the "back" > button PDQ. > > I know almost nothing about SEO, but knowing a little about how > search bots work, I can't imagine them taking notice of a music > player. If it were me, I would deliver a normal web page (no frames) > and offer the visitor the choice of playing the music, or not. > > Cordially, > David > -- > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Conyers, Dwayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:12:49 +0000 > Subject: RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > I will throw my 2 cents in and say that nothing is more annoying than going > to a web site and suddenly being bombarded with loud music you don't want > to hear. In face, I got an add-in for Firefox so that I could safely use M > ySpace without a cacophony of noises playing without my control. > > > > Keep in mind -- there is no way to set the volume for a web-based music tra > ck. If I have volume up because I am listening to low-gain audio and then > a web page plays something at top decibel... there go my ear drums if I'm w > earing headphones... > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > -- > > The generation that took acid to escape reality > > Is now taking antacid to deal with reality > > http://dwacon.blogspot.com<http://dwacon.blogspot.com/> > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:01:00 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction > > hi, > i think if i cold sell him on a player that would be user controlled. > I will tell him he can put in more tracks by his dj's. > Sorry i meant to change the title of the post. > > > thanks a million. > -kevin > > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: russ - maxdesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:41:34 +1100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED > > ----------------------- > ADMIN > ----------------------- > > Hi all, > > We have had some complaints that this "SEO, fact or fiction" thread is > off-topic. > > We have left it alone till now as the list has been surprisingly (spookily) > quite for the last week. However, the thread has now gone on long enough. > > So, this thread is now officially shut down. > > PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD > > Replying to this thread could result in a warning email and a note sent home > to your mother. > > Repeat offenders may be removed from the mail list, as outlined in the mail > list guidelines: > http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > If you have an issue with the closing of this thread, please do not discuss > it on list, email "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". > > Have a nice seo-fact-or-fiction-free day :) > Thanks > Russ > > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: Keryx Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:41:28 +0100 > Subject: IE 8 and grey > > Quick question. > > I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand "grey", spelled > with an e - as it should be ;-) > > > Lars Gunther > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Adam Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:43:30 +1000 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using "words" > - what happens if a future browser decides that "grey" should be #66666; > where previously it was #33333; (just examples). Your design is suddenly not > going to look as you intended. > > My 2c. > Adam > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Keryx Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Quick question. > > > > I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand "grey", spelled > > with an e - as it should be ;-) > > > > > > Lars Gunther > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://myfitness.ning.com > A community of people that care about their health and fitness > Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ********************************************************************* > From: Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:15:18 -0700 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > Adam Martin wrote: > > Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using > > "words" - what happens if a future browser decides that "grey" should be > > #66666; where previously it was #33333; (just examples). Your design is > > suddenly not going to look as you intended. > > You mean, if a browser maker decides not to support standards?? Who > would do such a thing? I can't even imagine it :-) > > <http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#idx-color> > <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#value-def-color> > > -- > Hassan Schroeder ----------------------------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com > > dream. code. > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Thomas Thomassen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:24:57 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > Because they are defined by w3c what they should map to. > http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#color-units > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adam Martin > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > > Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using > "words" - what happens if a future browser decides that "grey" should be > #66666; where previously it was #33333; (just examples). Your design is > suddenly not going to look as you intended. > > My 2c. > Adam > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Keryx Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Quick question. > > I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand "grey", > spelled > with an e - as it should be ;-) > > > Lars Gunther > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://myfitness.ning.com > A community of people that care about their health and fitness > Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* > From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:03:51 +1000 > Subject: Spolsky on IE8 flag > > Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html > > I wonder if Microsoft considered the approach of "IE 7 is the last > version of IE. Our new product will be $NEW_PRODUCT_NAME[1]. All old > hacks for IE are irrelevent - we're starting afresh, people!" > Sounds like its worth considering :) > After all, when I browse the web with Safari or Firefox I literally > never see a broken page, because nothing assumes I am using some > version of IE. > M2CW :) > > warmly, > Lea > [1] I like "Internet Avenger" for I am a romantic. Who can think of a > better name? :) > -- > Lea de Groot > Elysian Systems > Brisbane, Australia > > ********************************************************************* > From: Chris Broadfoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:04:07 +1100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > Keryx Web wrote: > > Quick question. > > > > I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand "grey", spelled > > with an e - as it should be ;-) > > > > > > Lars Gunther > > > > Probably not. "grey" isn't a css colour. > > ********************************************************************* > From: John Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:15:08 +1100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey > > CSS is a US-spec language. If we suddenly start seeing 'colour: > #123456;' then I'll be delighted - but I don't think the CSS authors > are so interested in global standards ;) > > On 18/03/2008, at 1:04 PM, Chris Broadfoot wrote: > > > Keryx Web wrote: > >> Quick question. > >> I have not got IE 8 beta 1 myself... Does it understand "grey", > >> spelled with an e - as it should be ;-) > >> Lars Gunther > > > > Probably not. "grey" isn't a css colour. > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ******************************************************************* > > > > best wishes, > > John Hancock > Identity > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > t: +61 2 8012 2967 > f: +61 2 9799 6135 > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************* > From: Mike Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:37:16 +1300 > Subject: Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag > > Lea de Groot wrote: > > Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html > > I think it's a great article. And one the nails why this has created so > much heat. Among many killer quotes, this to end things: > > "You see? No right answer. > > As usual, the idealists are 100% right in principle and, as usual, the > pragmatists are right in practice." > > Mike > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:52:39 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag > > Lea de Groot wrote: > > Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html > > Far too long, and his point is buried somewhere... > > IE8b1 is a very rough beta...heck, I'd call it an alpha. They have > serious rendering issues so far, but I doubt that they'll make it into > the final version, what with that interoperability policy looming over > the IE team's head. > > P > -- > Patrick H. Lauke > ______________________________________________________________ > re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively > [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] > www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk > http://redux.deviantart.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force > http://webstandards.org/ > ______________________________________________________________ > > ********************************************************************* > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:21:57 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag > > Lea de Groot wrote: > > Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html > > Microsoft failed to follow the evolutionary trail and keep up with > common standards - to the degree that such exists, and now they try to > catch up without causing a revolution with subsequent riots all over > IE/win-hackery land. > I wish the IE team - and us - good luck. > > A fresh start would indeed be worth considering - with name and all, but > I can't see that coming :-( > > > I like "Internet Avenger" for I am a romantic. Who can think of a > > better name? :) > > It already has one: "Internet Exploder", and I'm pragmatic and can't > think of a better name until I see a better browser. > > regards > Georg > -- > http://www.gunlaug.no > > ********************************************************************* > From: "Alastair Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:02:37 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag > > > Far too long, and his point is buried somewhere... > > It is long, but I like the headphone analogy that (I think) makes it > easier to understand the 'economics' of the situation. (Does it count > as economics when the products are free?) > > I was very surprised by the IE teams decision to make the new > rendering the default, until I read Joel's thoughts on what they might > do before release. > IE is part of the MS ecosystem, and impacts Windows (e.g. will a > corporate client update to Vista if their intranet doesn't work with > IE 7/8), and things like Sharepoint (e.g. will IE8 render Sharepoint > sites ok). > > On the Sharepoint note, either MS will have to re-do how it produces > front end code (a mammoth undertaking) or ensure that IE8 renders it > as IE7. How useful is that long term? > > I'm very glad that MS started again with the rendering engine, and > they have made incredible progress given that fresh start, but I do > worry that it could have nasty consequences for IE (and web standards) > if the change to other parts of the ecosystem is too severe. > > -Alastair > > ********************************************************************* > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:55:24 +0000 > Subject: yaanno has invited you to Spokeo > > Hi wsg@webstandardsgroup.org,<br/><br/> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] has invited you to Spokeo, > which finds your friends' updates across the Web. > > Your friends are already using Spokeo to follow you on Stumbleupon. > Try Spokeo today to find what your friends are doing across 30 different > social networks! > > Click http://www.spokeo.com/public/join?c=984391b9fd7e2b14c4af1c94cb315 > 1746f68d47a to accept your invitation. > > > > ----- > This invitation was sent with yaanno's approval. > If you wish to opt out of all future emails, go to http://www.spokeo.com/ > optout?c=w495249575553505449 > > Copyright (c) 2008 Spokeo, Inc. 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It does all of this regardless of its in quirks mode, IE 7 > sub-standards mode or "we are trying for the real deal" standards mode! > (So much for UA-compatible meta switches!) > > At least one webmaster will be surprised: http://www.bebt.com/ Today in > IE it's a *green* box - which is an exceptionally buggy implementation! > > All this I know thanks to "Philip" on the WHATWG IRC channel: > http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20080317 (look at the discussion > around 23:00) > > > Lars Gunther > > ************************************************************** > Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ************************************************************** > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *******************************************************************
