Hey Ian,

Sorry for coming in late in this thread, but I would like to recommend the php.net site and their mailing lists as well. I am a subscriber to a few of their lists and am just learning the language, but the people who post to the php-general list are some of the most knowledgeable people I have run across.

There are a few of the core programmers that post to that list as well. I would highly recommend joining, and watching the list for a few days. Or jump right in and start working on a project. The most simple form of which is a simple "Hello world!" script. Do something like this:

<?PHP
        $hi = "Hello";
        $earth = "World";
        $time = time();
        $currentTime = date("H:i:s M-d-y", $time);
echo "$hi $earth! it is $currentTime";

?>

Just something that you could play with :)


On May 20, 2008, at 5:35 AM, Ian Chamberlain wrote:

Thanks for all the tips folks, very useful.

In response to Michael, I have just escaped the large corporate, global
enterprise world that seems to fund much of the IT work done and in my
experience most such organisations are only just now waking up to the
concept and benefits of open source.

My ex-organisation for example tended to code either in ASP or .NET for
small / medium scale or some flavour of Java for portals and heavy
transaction stuff so I had no experience or libraries of PHP.

Upon my excape, pausing only to don my hopelessly optimistic hat I went looking for a PHP site; something similar to the sites we all use that show how semantic mark-up should be used; or how good quality CSS can make site
look good.

Even poor old JavaScript thanks to gentlemen ( I use the word carelessly) like Jeremy Keith are busy helping our communities to play nicely with the
DOM; which left just the "back-end".

The problem is that right now unless we have one or two clearly signposted places where people can learn to do the right thing, young new programmers or even old f***s like me will get what help they can from the net and libraries, as I am sure you may have noticed such sites, books and courses
are not always of the highest quality.

Ian

(Freelancing with a grin - ex Head Of Web Strategy BT Global Services)




----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Horowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] PHP Standards


I am guessing that PHP is much like JavaScript in that a lot of what is
floating about is either poor or pooh the result of all the good
programmes stending their time on ASP or J2EE

Why woul you think the good programmers spend their time and ASP or J2EE?

Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079



Designer wrote:
I think that it's basically your responsibility Ian, in that there are
many sources of snippets available and if you use them you just
validate the generated code and put right what is wrong in the php.
Then, you check for best practice too . . .

Bob



Ian Chamberlain wrote:
Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP;
any clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even
application suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum
standard please.

I am guessing that PHP is much like JavaScript in that a lot of what
is floating about is either poor or pooh the result of all the good
programmes stending their time on ASP or J2EE.

Thanks

Ian


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