Sorry I should have been more clear in my last email.   I support the idea of 
using the extra bits in FT8 to indicate contest mode and "/R" calls.

I'm sorry I couldn't undertake to code this and provide support to the users.   
I would be happy to help test this.

Thanks again to the WSJT-x team for their efforts.

Mark Spencer
VE7AFZ
netsyn...@gmail.com



> On Jul 24, 2018, at 9:51 AM, Mark Spencer <netsyn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd support using an extra FT8 bit to explicitly indicate contest mode (using 
> another extra bit to explicitly indicate a "/R" call would also be nice.)   I 
> realize there is a desire to keep FT8 and MSK144 functionality as similar as 
> possible (and that MSK144 doesn't have the "extra bits" that FT8 has) but in 
> practice I don't believe MSK144 has nearly as many contest mode / vs non 
> contest mode issues.
> 
> 73
> 
> Mark Spencer
> VE7AFZ
> netsyn...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 9:38 AM, <egr...@cox.net> <egr...@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I also was more than a bit frustrated with the contest mode this past 
>> weekend. It's not a fault of the software, just that there's no way to know 
>> from someone's CQ whether they are in contest or QSO mode.
>> 
>> A suggestion that is hopefully easy to code that might fix the problem - add 
>> a CQ predefined message that includes a binary flag to the software with 
>> 0=QSO mode and 1=contest mode. Then, when someone double-clicks on the CQ to 
>> respond, WSJT-X can switch to the appropriate mode. That will also help 
>> those of us in a contest that want to work non-contesters for points, even 
>> though those folks don't want to use contest mode.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Eric NC6K
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w...@w0mu.com> 
>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:37 PM
>> To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: [wsjt-devel] Contest mode CQVHF
>> 
>> First of all I want to thank everyone for this great advancement in the 
>> hobby!
>> 
>> 
>> The CQ WW VHF was my first exposure to contest mode and it was a very 
>> frustrating 27 hours.
>> 
>> If I am in contest mode and I call CQ and get an answer from someone who 
>> is not, there is essentially no way to complete a qso unless one side 
>> changes into or out of contest mode.  What happened to me is I would 
>> switch and then the other side would switch and we would be opposite.  
>> Frustrating!
>> 
>> The main issue is that we cannot expect those not in the contest to have 
>> to switch into a specific mode to work us.  This does not happen in any 
>> other contest.  We cannot expect this from casual ops.  I am glad they 
>> want to work me.  Being able to work them should be painless too!
>> 
>> Why is contest mode needed?  If a qso is good in contest mode with less 
>> sequences I suggest that all FT8 exchanges be the same. Is there a 
>> specific reason two have multiple sets of exchanges for in a contest and 
>> not in a contest?  I don't think so.
>> 
>> I understand that this was an issue for the June VHF contest too.
>> 
>> If you guys can move my xmit around in fox/hound mode, which worked out 
>> really well, there has to be a solution for this.  I believe that the 
>> fox was still able to work people not running hound?  We need the same 
>> ability in contest mode.
>> 
>> I believe that this is already being examined but I thought I would give 
>> my feedback.  I would be happy to provide more information if desired.
>> 
>> Thanks again for all the hard work in bringing us FT8!
>> 
>> W0MU
>> 
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