It is a question I think for some time.  Do you do AV first, then SA,
or SA first and then AV??

Tony


On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:21:14 -0600, Jason J. Ellingson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *** JUST AN OPINION - PLEASE TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT ***
> 
> I think it is a great idea.  However, here is why I choose not to do it that
> way:
> 
> 1) Only scans those messages under 250KB or whatever limit you set on SPAMC.
> This misses any potentially infected files a friend might send you in a
> larger attachment.
> 
> 2) Resources used more.  The message is now set to the SA box(es) regardless
> of potential infection status.  And unless there is a quick abort available
> in SPAMD for an infected message, the email will get fully checked by all
> rules.... RBLs, SPF, etc... all completely unnecessary.
> 
> 3) Can hurt BAYES/AWL databases... if the virus infected email is ever
> written with the REAL source email address (which nearly none do currently
> unless accidentally zipped into an attachment by an infected user), the
> databases will effectively blacklist that user.  -- AWL is stored by IP
> subnet/email address pairs.
> 
> And as a side note, hopefully you are using ClamD to scan those emails...
> much faster than serial execution checking.
> 
> This is why I still stick to a policy of anti-virus scanners for viruses,
> and anti-spam scanners for spam messages... and checked in that order.
> 
> AGAIN, just an opinion by me and is not to be considered fact, or even a
> qualified opinion.  Plus, I reserve the right to change my mind.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Shiloh Jennings
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:14 AM
> To: xmail@xmailserver.org
> Subject: [xmail] AV and SA
> 
> Previously, I had been running ClamAV and SpamC on each of my email =
> servers.
> SpamD was running on a cluster of FreeBSD boxes.  I had always wanted a
> solution to move ClamAV off of the email servers and onto the SA boxes.  =
> I
> finally found a solution:
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ClamAVPlugin
> 
> We have been using that since it came out and it has been working
> flawlessly.  Anybody running SA on a dedicated Linux or FreeBSD box =
> might
> want to consider running the ClamAV Pluggin for SA.  The only tweak I =
> made
> was switching the CLAMAV score from 10 to 300.  I let my customers set =
> their
> threshold as high as 100, and needed to make sure virus emails always =
> scored
> well beyond their threshold.
> 
> Also, I made a Win32 compile of the spamc that shipped with SA3.  I was =
> able
> to fully eliminate the need for CygWin on my Windows based XMail servers =
> by
> doing that in addition to moving ClamAV to the SA boxes.  I simply ran =
> the
> SA installer on a Windows box that had VC5 installed in order to build =
> the
> native Win32 spamc.exe, but there are also ways to do it for free.  If =
> you
> need to build spamc.exe for free, check out the following article:
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/BuildSpamcOnWindowsForFree
> 
> Anyway, I figured I would pass this on in case any other hosts were =
> looking
> for similar solutions.
> 
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