>>if a MTA accepts a message for delivery, it must either deliver or bounce..
While this was a nice idea at one time, it really isn't desirable any more.

Why? SPAM. I get thousands of emails that I accept but are then rejected by my 
spam filtering. You don't want me sending all those bounce messages to your 
users (whose email address was forged in the email).

I would assume that hotmail (and the others) have user options that say 'delete 
spam', so they don't have to look at it in their spam folder. This could the 
reason that it goes into hotmail, and the user never sees it. Some filtering is 
done when the email arrives, but a lot of time more filtering is done later.

I run a mail server from my home, with static ip's and rdns. But almost all 
mail I send to a yahoo account will go into the users spam folder until they 
say allow it. Doesn't matter what is in the email, if it was sent to one person 
or to several. I would love to receive a bounce for messages I actually sent, 
but I can not handle getting the bounces from every message that says it came 
from me.

Phillip




From: Francesco Vertova
Sent: Fri 3/21/2008 10:41 AM
To: xmail@xmailserver.org
Subject: [xmail] Re: hotmail delivery problems


At 12.47 21/03/08, David Lord wrote:
>On 21 Mar 2008, at 1:56, max toro q wrote:

> > I installed Xmail on win2k, and I have delivery problems to hotmail.
> > Some messages get delivered, some simply get lost. The log shows no
> > sign of problem.
>
>Yes but not very often. Mails are accepted but never delivered.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing, anyway from time to time 
my users complain that mails for hotmail accounts "are not 
delivered", meaning that the receiver did not receive them and the 
sender was not notified of any error. Every time I have investigated 
I found that hotmail did accept the message for delivery: smail logs 
say that. For me, this means that XMail did its job and the problem 
(if any: you know, 90% of a computer's problems lie between the 
keyboard and the chair ...) is with hotmail: if a MTA accepts a 
message for delivery, it must either deliver or bounce.

Ciao, Francesco

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