> Martin Bochnig wrote:
> > I just tell the truth about it.
> > I would also do it again. They did have their chance but never showed
> interest in a true discussion about conary.
> >   
> There was discussion.  They didn't go with your favourite.  Tough. Live 


You don't get it: It is tough for Indiana, not for me.
What do you know about conary??
Then don't talk to me in this manner please. Learn the facts or be quiet.


> with it.
> 
> > You can call me "Poisonous" ?? Are you flaming me once again?
> >   
> No but I will if you want. 'Poisonous' might be a bit far, but I doubt 
> I'm the only
> one who's royally sick of the whining.


I'm not "whining".
I'm yelling.
Didn't read it?


> Please, take a break and chill out.  

May I ask what you have contributed to the code base?

> Everyone who has a SPARC graphics
> workstation HAS a decent version of Solaris to run on it - just not the
> latest one. If you need an indication why its not important to have
> graphics

Again, I see what you mean and this is nothing new to me.
But it appears that you don't fully see what has motivated me to get as many 
Xorg drivers working on SPARC-OpenSolaris, as possible: It is not only about 
performance and features, it is also a question of emancipation. Xsun cannot be 
re-distributed, Xorg can. Therefore I helped Sun to make SPARC-Indiana usable 
on popular legacy platforms, in case it ships one day.


> for SPARC then take a look at the price of an ATX mobo with onboard
> nVidia 7k series graphics, and add a low end quad code chip and 4G of
> RAM.  And then ask yourself how noisy it is next to a SPARC system with
> enough grunt that you might want to use it.

> 
> SPARC workstations are irrelevant.  SPARC servers are not.  You can't
> blame Sun for bowing to reality.

Oh, this would be yet another question. Certainly I could even that: Because 
most responsible for SPARC's slow and now faster and faster death is nobody 
else than Sun themselves, see their pricing strategies, their marketing 
policies, and the channels they (try to) use to sell something. And when you 
then read that this stuff ships in 2 to 3 business weeks, then the deal is 
perfect, isn't it?


> 
> Please, take a good look at how your spending your time with your SPARC
> OpenSolaris.  I'd personally be really pleased to have it - for my 420Rs
> and
> 280Rs. 


If you just want a rescue CD with Indiana's err BeleniX's live media framework, 
then you can use it already on all sun4u and sun4v systems from Ultra2 to T2 :
http://www.martux.org/SPARC_distro_incl_Xorg7.2/
It includes Xorg, but can be controlled  via RSC or serial as well.

 But don't flog the dead horse of graphics - just make sure that
> VNC or FreeNX works well out of the box.

Okay, good, noticed.
Vnc works well already, but the LiveDVD isn't out yet, due to problems with 
GDM. We may simply use KDM instead, as KDE 3.4 is also on disk.

> The number of people who will ever care about your graphics project is
> small *and getting smaller with time*.  Are you sure its worth the effort?
> I know its hard to give up on personal projects and accept that all the
> old
> effort and expense will never come to anything - I'm sympathetic with
> that,
> at least.  But please, try to move on. If you can get FreeNX working
> really
> well on Solaris (SPARC and others), more people will use your stuff.
> 
> James


I have more than one project, in case you didn't notice I wanted to replace 
MartUX with something more usable, only my Xorg-project distracted me from it 
and hence the delay.
Then we have conary. If you are not interested in those things, then it is your 
own good (or bad) choice. But don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do. 
After you bring out your own distro we can chat again.

p.s. Thanks for the hint about SPARC's death. I learned something new today. 
Maybe this is the reason, why Natamar is also half-finished already for 
x86/x64. Based on Indiana, err BeleniX.

Thank you for speaking up against me.
Thank you for harming the OpenSolaris project by speaking out against conary, 
w/o having a clue of what it is and CAN.

Martin

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