Well said Cde Sithembele. It is clear that Cde Mduduzi obviously took his time in preparing his input in defense of TM, but I agree with you that we should not waist our time discussing non-issues. The content and spirit of TM's letter expose his anger after having lost in Polokwane and also being recalled as the State President. TM is being very diplomatic in his letter to JZ, pretending as though he is genuinely raising issues as a bona fide member of the ANC, who is concerned about the developments in our movement. We all know that TM never really accepted defeat in Polokwane, and he did not show any signs of willing to accept Cde JZ's leadership, and therefore his recall from government was inevitable. Since Polokwane he has been nothing but an arrogant bitter cadre, who would stop at nothing in undermining the leadership of the ANC, and that of JZ in particular. So, diplomacy aside comrades, TM is clearly in collaboration with the shikotas. Let us not be confused by some amongst us who remain his sympathizers through and through. And Yes, TM is right when he says history will judge his leadership as the President of South Africa, for I do not think that we will ever miss him in the ANC. In the past, many comrades have contested and lost, some were openly purged by TM himself for holding differing views, but they remained loyal cadres of our movement, which is why they will always be respected within our ranks. The ANC and mass democratic movement is not for the arrogant, holier than thou and self-centred individuals.
________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sithembele senti Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: An Open response to the letter by Thabo Mbeki Comrades, Comrades Mduduzi, Funky and Mbeki please save us some time to discuss matters that might assist us campaigning for the 2009 elections. The issue you are trying so hard to defend does not even arise as a debate for the following (obvious) reason. If the ANC would have wanted Cde Thabo Mbeki to play a specific (special) role in our election campaign, surely the ANC would have consulted Thabo and explain exactly what it is that it wants him to do,But that is not the case here at all. The ANC Leadership upon being asked by journalists and others (the question found its space somehow through to the public domain) responds and say we would expect from Cde Thabo Mbeki what we expect from any desciplined cadre of our Movement as long as he is the member of the ANC and as long as nothing has been recieved from him to the contrary. Comrade Gwede Mantashe in his attempt to clarify the issue he even goes further and say, "we do not expect Cde Mbeki and Mandela as former Presidents to play a prominent role, however we expect them as members of the ANC to canvass for the ANC vote quitely to every body they meet with" Now comrades you must tell us if that was an unreasonable expectation coming from our leaders which was based from our practice and tradition in the ANC or any organisation that takes itself serious. I reapeat this point Maqabane, If there was any prominent role the ANC has identified to be played by Cde Thabo we would have through our leadership made him aware and deploy him as such, there is no point about deployement here, the point is what does the ANC expect its members to do. We understand Cde Thabo is bitter(see his letter to JZ) about his recall from the Presidency (for a disciplined cadre he claimed to be) and therefore we would not expect him to play any prominent role. Thabo wanted to express his discontent about his recall and he had extrapolated the issues raised by both the ANC and ANCYL presidents to use as a pretext for his issues he wanted to discuss in public with the ANC President when he asked for a public debate. Please comrades our duty to defend each other must not deliver us to some pigeon holed thinking that becomes so impervious to infuence of reason and context within which issues are debated. We are further not confused about the priveleged status our former leadership might enjoy wrt how they might relate with our leadership and structures, hence our constittuion talks about an EX OFFICIO status. I shall wait to be convinced otherwise comrades Amandla, Phamblili ngopolotiko olunomqolo phamblili. Sthera Senti 073 662 0849 > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:29:16 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: An Open response to the letter by Thabo Mbeki > > > cde fanki i don't understand what's de hallo balloo about.do u have to > be defensive to everything?i mean de point cde smanga made was very > clear and needed no intervention from anyone but u just have to > intervene for what leader. > > there's a question being asked by cde smaga here to say does the ANC > need to ask cadres senior or not on whether they feel like campaigning > for the organization they love so much,the very organization they > dedicated their whole life to?do we need to consult and ask cdes if we > should have assistence from them during our capaigns really? > if so why do cdes senior or not join de organization voluntarily?i > mean cdes there is no need for de ANC to ask cde TM on whether or not > he should or can campaign for de ANC in as much as he said that he's > still a loyal ANC member he has re-assured us that he will be an ANC > MEMBER VOLUNTARILY AS SUCH WE STILL EXPECT HIM TO CAMPAIGN.this > respond of him saying he needs consultation is out of order finish and > klaar!!!!!!! > > </html Disclaimer: This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. 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