Cde Mduduzi Vilakazi, you poigantly spot-on on the matter discussed at hand. I also like the afct that your ability to provide the ideological meaning of the matter. It is reality that we should not loose sight on the matter and ignore this discriminational and exsclusive elements in our society through any other form and not only tribes. There is also Gender matter in the cabinet there are those amongst us who view the composition of the cabinet as against gender equality, in fact some even go to extend of saying that the present ANC Leadership has reversed the strides made by the former. My view is that it is not true because Gender equality should not be limited to quarters, it should be informed by availability of quality, abled and competent women at the time to assume such Cabinet position and in this present cabinet it is clear that these Mothers have what it takes for them to be where they are(cabinet). In a nutshell I do not agree that the present ANC leadership have reversed the strides made by the former on the inclusion of women ministers.
Cde Mdu, I must say that you remain one of the embodiment of one of our great youth leaders with capacity and ideological groundedness but without tactical discipline. Can you introspect that part in you and correct it. For instance the YCL does not have the monopoly to the political discussions on any matter, however I will strongly re-iterate the fact that you resigned from the YCLSA and continue to be part of us through this forum is CONFUSSING! Can you come out clear, Do you still have iterest in being part of us as a member or we should find comfort in having you as a young political Commentator of the YCL-Forum! Nothing personal! On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanx Cde Skizo and Cde Aphiwe, > > All the issues as raised relate to the apartheid creation of different > identities. Ours was a capitalist class apartheid. It introduced a system > that is characterised by ownership thus issues of regionalism and tribalism > is based on ownership of language, unfair regional patriotism, ethnical > preferences and the belief in atmospheric pressures in which we find > ourselves. > > > A capitalist system creates an environment that is not separable from the > negatives that come with the character of capitalism which includes greed, > poverty, crime, diseases, etc. It is a society that is characterised by > divisions, disunity, self-centeredness and a highest degree of corruption > informed by greed. It is a society that is governed through business > orientation and the basic principle is economic viability or maximisation of > profit. > > > Capitalism promotes casualization of labour, closes access to education, > encourages poor-quality services through the pretence of lack of funding, > promotes retrenchments on the basis of maximising profit or benchmarking > with other organisations, a cut in salaries, increase in prices of goods and > services, increase in interest rates, fuel and other essential sources of > life etc. All these observations degrade the standard of living in society. > > > The question is why I make this statements and the answer is very simple > “in order to understand the society we live in". The discussion is not based > on the capitalist system we inherited but on its legacy. In Mpumalanga, the > same issue came unto being. The general masses of the province do not > understand that we are not a federal state. They want a representation in > cabinet (remember that since 1994 to date Mpumalanga never had anyone in > cabinet). > > This is an issue that cannot be undermined because as Skizo said "it will > be used by the opposition to reduce our (anc) voters. I think that all > cadres have a responsibility to educate our masses regarding cabinet as > enshined in section 91 of the constitution. It will however require our > leaders to also spread cabinet posts to all walks of the country within the > ambit of traceable cadreship credentials and capacity. > > I pause!! > > > >>> "Aphiwe BEWANA" <[email protected]> 5/26/2009 4:05 PM >>> > > Firstly, let first commend cde Skizo for asking the question. Based on a > rationale that this is what the people of the place (former Venda) are > genuinely asking as he said. I have no reason to believe otherwise. > > The issue of regionalism and tribalism in the post-apartheid South > Africa is deep-rooted issue, so it can not be just dismissed as looking > back-wards. In actual sense ordinary people of the republic still > fundamentally relate to their regions and tribes. I, like others believe > that our current demarcation at (municipalities and provinces levels) do > perpetrate differences between regions and tribes. In essence this is > one of the aspects of post-apartheid era we should deal with honestly > than dismissing. For example in Western Cape regionalism and tribalism > is even within the provincial ANC leadership. To be honest, it’s > actually one of the attributors, that led to us (ANC) losing the > province. > > One can also cite the issue of xenophobia in South Africa (why did our > black brothers fight and kill each other) and did nothing to white > people. The answer to that has both class and race aspect. We all know > that we should move beyond such acts but it happened, which means it > exists. Hence, we need proper and guided views to be channeled in all > spheres of society (churches, political gatherings, mass media etc). > > This is an issue that we must deal with head-on than to look at the > other side and dismiss, as if it is out of touch with reality. > > Amandla. > > > Aphiwe's new e-mail address is ([email protected]) > > Mr. A.L. Bewana > MSc. Conservation Biology > Percy-FitzPatrick Institute > DST/NRF-Centre of Excellence > University of Cape Town > Cell no. 073 4483 651 > > "I want freedom for the full expression on my personality"- Mahatma > Ghandi. > >>> "Manganye, Michael M" <[email protected]> 05/26/09 > 1:10 PM >>> > > Cde Skizo > > What about cde > > Ms RT Mabudafhasi <http://www.info.gov.za/leaders/depmin/envtour.html> > > Water and Environmental Affairs > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Skizo Skizo > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: JZ cabinets > > > Thanks for clarity,but bear in mind that opposition parties they > are going to use that against our movement to win Venda people.I was > in Venda last weekend and most of people were complaining regarding > that matter.My question might sound stupid but people in the ground > they don,t know anything thing about NDR. > > I rest my case. > > > ________________________________ > > From: sive gumenge <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:13:05 PM > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: JZ cabinets > > > Greetings, > > I think we should move from the view of saying that this cabinet is key > and proper and not distruct our thinking with issues of ethnicity, race > and issues of regionalism. If we do that, we will take ourselves > backwards to issues of tribalism etc. > > The leadership of government is proper indeed and it reflects all our > efforts in making sure that capitalism is distructed and killed at all > levels. > > But our fundamental goal is to build strong YCLSA branches and > districts, then that would automatically grow provinces. We should not > sleep comrades and allow dirty elements to influence us. > > Socialist regards, > > Madala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Skizo Skizo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Comrades, am very impressed with our cabinet my only problem > is that why there is no Venda minister?Can some 1 give us clarity > regarding that matter . > > > > -- > Sive Gumenge > Young Communist League of South Africa > Brian Bunting District Executive Member > Western Cape > 076 894 5800 > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Standard Bank email Disclaimer and confidentiality note > > This e-mail, its attachments and any rights attaching hereto are, unless > the content clearly indicates otherwise, the property of > Standard Bank Group Limited and its subsidiaries. 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