Thanks my leader, i stand to be corrected ,according to me i think the are many capable cadres who can take the SACP to onether level.Dr Nzimande, is a full time Minister and also the GS of the party and also bear in mind that being a minister is very demanding Job.Comrades sometimes we must face reality .Lets the congress decide.
Viva party viva. ________________________________ From: Samson Zondi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 5:53:09 PM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Blade 'safe from drunk dreamers', Buti Manamela, Times Cde Skizo a lot has been said on this matter of the GS and deployment. Perhaps I must reaffirm that am not yet a Communist however I aspire to be one not merely because of the scientific revolutionary theory but primarily because my late mom was a farm worker and my state-pensioned father was a garden boy. As a somebody who aspires to be a communist, I have learnt elsewhere that the only thing that does not change is change itself. In other words, every thing existing is in motion. Therefore, if conditions or a space opens, communists must be able to cease it in order to advance the working class struggle. This means that your so-called supreme laws or rather fixed laws is a foreign concept for any communist who knows what he/she is talking about. Correct me if am wrong? Beyond this, your selective reading of the constitution speaks volumes than your attempt to "talk left, (whilst) walking right" support of the GS. You remind me of the 2006-2008 Sasco NEC that claimed to support JZ by lambasting/ridiculing him in the media. Just please please read this extract and digest it before responding: "The General Secretary shall be the leading National Office Bearer of the SACP and afull-time officialunder conditions of service determined by the CC." Take some deep breath and count to at least 5, what do you make of the "...full-time officialunder conditions of service determined by the CC."? For me, it literally means that the CC can decide whether to deploy him or not while he remains the GS. And this is what the CC did. Just go and research a statement made by the CC released early this year. After doing that, you can than come back and tell us why your self-professed support for GS made you to be ignorant of this basic fact captured in the same clause that you dream has been violated. What authority makes you to think that the CC of the Party was wrong and you are correct? Dont your think, this is a contradiction of your self-declared support for the GS? by the way, am not even interested in you answering this, but am just giving you food for thought so that you do not take our reading time for a cheap ride. Comrade Luthuli is normally quoted as having warned that "comrades do not have to talk for the sake of talking because even if you do not talk, you remain a comrade". I pause. T.S. Zondi >>> Skizo Skizo <[email protected]> 11/12/2009 5:13 PM >f well raised my leader. ________________________________ From: Mduduzi Herman Vilakazi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 9:06:48 AM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Blade 'safe from drunk dreamers', Buti Manamela, Times Et al, Cde Domza, I understand why you debate this issue in this fashion. You have the same suspicions I have about people who want to hijack the platform to strengthen their case against the GS. I am also aware that there are opportunists who want nothing but to annihilate the spirit of unity within the party. I am equally aware that there are those who are not comfortable with a communists receiving two salaries and believe that they have a share in personal wealth of individuals. I am aware that people attack leadership to so as to insult the organisation they lead. I am aware that at all times discussions should be informed not by forces of the economy but by operational material conditions. I am made to understand that there are some political thugs who are on standby to weaken progressive political organisations. All these is but a manifestation of the cruelty of capitalism. The angle of my debate is that we should not ignore documents that we have developed to assist in the running of the organisation. I have said it before and say it now without any favor that my support for the non-change of leadership will not blind me. I am sincerely raising an issue of constitutional implications which is but part of my conviction that when things are done in a democratic organisation like SACP, the "rule book" should guide us. The "fulltime" is not in any position of responsibility but only in that of the GS. I understand that the special congress is not for elections and am comfortable with comrade Blade at the helm. However, we have developed the constitution to be the supreme law of the organisation. Even the sitting of the special congress is a constitutional matter - issues of delegates, forming of qourum, receiving of reports etc. are all in the constitution. Therefore, we are slaves of our suppreme rule book - it is not by choice on when to apply it. So in whatever decision of the party, the constitution should guide us. I hope I was never ambiguous in my construction of the sentences. Will it be difficult Cde Domza to say, yes the GS is doing a good job, both in government and in the party, why can't we amend the constitution to suit this situation? Is it difficult to accept that the constitution as it stands does not accommodate this situation? Do we as communists want a situation where debates are stiffled by the likes of MDU, DOMZA, CLARENCE etc? Surely, once we cease to debate issues, we would be left with no choice but to close this forum. As I debate this matter, I am not afraid to state that the GS should remain but this should be done in line with the suppreme law of the SACP. I do not have a blind support on this matter and we all are aware that we should do it in this way unless we become anarchist-marxists. Amandla!! On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Lebese OE <[email protected]> wrote: Cdes, >Let us try to remind cde Mdu that; >1. The GS is not an employee of some company that has its office hours >from 8 - 4. For your benefit the extract says: The General Secretary shall be >the leading National Office Bearer of the SACP and afull-time officialunder >conditions of service determined by the CC. The General Secretary shall be an >ex officio member of all party structures (Now this does not say 8 - 4 to me >and am sure to you too). >2. From time to time we will need to make decisions based on conditions >at any given time. We need not read our Constitution as if we are lawyers and >it is some kind of Legislation. >3. The constitution is not meant to block and delay us in achieving our >strategic objectives. >4. We are a party that has a huge responsibility of pushing the agenda >of the working class and doing 'everything in achieving' socialism in our >lifetime. >5. This is the same leadership that played an important part in >literally forcing the wheels on the movement back in the right track. >6. Changing leadership of the Movement was just but one of the many >things that we needed to do and there is still a lot to be done so nobody is >going to disturb our momentum. >Our National leadership of YCL was spot on when it said through our National >Secretary that the GS is going nowhere. >We will defend and support our leadership and will not be apologetic for doing >so. >Oagile > > >From:[email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mduduzi H Vilakazi >Sent: 09 November 2009 12:06 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Blade 'safe from drunk dreamers', Buti Manamela, >Times > >Cdes, > >I do not know Cde Malgas what you mean but Cde Adriano raised a debate on the >constitutionality part. If the extracts he made are from an original copy of >the constitution of the SACP then the debate should be whether the >constitution is changed or the incumbent is changed. > >The extract read as follows: >11. DUTIES OF THE GENERAL SECRETARY >The General Secretary shall be the leading National Office Bearer of the SACP >and a full-time official under conditions of service determined by the CC. The >General Secretary shall be an ex officio member of all party structures and >shall: >>11.1 Keep (or cause to be kept) the minutes of all CC and PB meetings and >>such other books, records and archives as may be required. >>11.2 Attend to the correspondence of the CC and PB. >>11.3 Maintain regular personal and written contact with all the provinces and >>keep the membership informed of the work of the CC and PB. >>11.4 Ensure that members of the CC are kept informed of the work of the PB in >>between meetings of the CC. >>11.5 Draw up (or cause to be drawn up) all reports and documents as may be >>decided upon by the CC or PB. >>11.6 The Deputy General Secretary shall, as directed by the CC, deputise for >>the General Secretary in respect of all the functions set out above. >The importance of this constitution will be meaningless if the status qou >remains because the office bearer will be part-time while the constitution >warrants him to be full time. I do not think we should debate the issue with >the view of seating/ un-seating a comrade. >We all love Cde Blade. He took this office knowing that he should be >full-time. General Secretary is an important office. Surely, SACP has many >tried and tested comrades, if the constitution remains unchanged, then someone >should (in line with the constitution) replace Cde Blade. >So, my take is that the constitution should be amended or a new GS be elected >at conference (if no constitutional amendment is envisaged). It is not about >whether one is good in multi-tasking or not. It is about the constitutional >obligations of the organization we so dearly love. >I pause! > >This message and any attachments relating to official business of the >Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG)is proprietary to the MPGand intended >for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is >confidential and subject to legal privilege. 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