Thanks Mzukisi, you are really "a Good Communist" that should be
preoccupied with changing the manner in which ("idiots", whatever this
means) people think. The contend of your response does indeed prove
that you understand "importance of historical materialism".
Let me, with my "idiotic" mind, say that your respond is very good and
contrary to the "new wave..." of name-calling in an attempt to advance
an 'I know better than them' attitude. Chief, I am not sure whether
your response deliberately ignored the questions that I posed.
Questions such as: can you give us more facts on the conspiracies and
plans that you spoke about?
I am equally not sure whether labeling my attempt at posing question
answers my questions? I am also not sure whether the ANC GS is the only
leader that needs to be defended? I am also not sure if anyone has ever
said the youth are incapable of reasoning? I am not sure whether you
response is immune from the same diatribe that you accuse Zondi of? To
me, it would seem that the comrade like to accuse people and when
evidence is requested, you appeal to authority (i.e. ism which I do not
know of are used).
Chief, if my questions felt like diatribe I undeservedly apologize but
my question remains relevant hence I would like you to answer them after
cooling off.
Those who do not know (us) must learn and those who know (you comrades)
must teach (not to insult back when our 'immature' questions feel like
we were insulting).
Cheers,
T.S.
>>> Makatse Mzukisi <[email protected]> 1/29/2010 10:50 AM >>>
Zondi,
Your diatribe is not worth engaging because it is nothing else but just
diatribe.
What you and your ilk need to understand though is that many of us are
aware of certain tendencies towards the convergence of populism as
represented by yourself, and business interests both within the ANC and
the ANCYL. I harbor no hatred for Julius but will always disagree with
him where necessary. I will not be brow-bitten by insults of anyone to
submit to the new wave of defending Malema at all costs. The ANCYL is
paramount to any individual leader.
Maybe there is a myth that must be undone once and for all. It is not
true that the mere fact that we are youth makes us to be incapable of
reasoning and act in a responsible way. To want to equate political
naivety of certain young leaders to that of the past generations is a
serious sign of a current generation of youth that refuses to learn from
the mistakes of the past. In political terms we fail to understand the
importance of historical materialism. To say that Julius is a young man
who is still learning when ever he spews bile, is politically
irresponsible because many comrades are never treated with such kids*
gloves in the movement. Leadership of the ANCYL must take responsibility
for their action and must be held to account by the general membership
on any behaviour that is unbecoming of the ANCYL. Politically, there can
be no justification for any generation to fail to identify its mission
and do everything necessary to achieve it.
Last but not least, in any politically contested organization like the
ANC, comrades will always hold different views but within a set common
framework. If we allow idiots like Zondi to berate insults at anyone who
seem to disagree with Malema, then we must know that we have mini
dictators disguising as youth leaders. I wonder how the debates in
Zondi*s branch YL meetings are. I suppose comrades can*t even finish
their input because you jump to your gun full of insults and shoot at
them.
Mzukisi Makatse
From:[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Samson Zondi
Sent: 29 January 2010 08:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article from Sowetan
Comrade Funky, I absolutely agree with you (see my view below written
in an attempt to respond to cde Mzukusi's points). He chooses to rely
more on gos
sip mongering and conspiratorial thinking such as that the
so-called "...resource-hungry comrades..." have daggers against Cde
Mantashe because he is apparently perceived to be blocking them from
enjoying the spoils of the Zuma-led administration. What a funny and
baseless accusation typical of neo-liberal media-constructed line of
reasoning?
I think the comrade must equally tell or give us more facts or the
specifics of this baseless accusation. Failure to do so will be
tantamount to admitting that the comrade is just purely jealous about
Comrade Malema''s and his collective's achievements thus far or is
extending or attributing his own ambitions to Comrade Killerman.
His obsession with rubbishing the YL president blinds him from seeing
the visibly fact that the Comrade Malema was accompanying Gauteng
education department's officials who anyway were conducting 'routine'
school visits. Why do you then single out Cde Malema from the whole
delegation? Do you know something that some of us at the grass root
level do not know about? Is hatred for Malema too intense that you risk
your 'political maturity' by choosing to create and perpetuate
half-baked conspiracy theories? Why do think its only Comrade Gwede that
deserves to be defended and that Malema must be attacked as you do?
I hope comrades will transcend beyong emotions and have mercy on the YL
President. After all we are diamonds that are currently being polished
which means getting dirty does not mean we must be thrown away, because
once the polishing process is concluded we will come out to be one of
the best diamonds (eg. Lembede, Mandela, Mokaba, Gigaba, Mbalula and the
current brand of diamonds).
Phansi Ngabathakathi and Hands Off YL President Hands Off
T.S. Zondi
Defense for Malema Equals the Defense of the twin-tasks struggle!
>>> "KGALE GODFREY MAILA" <[email protected]> 1/28/2010 4:48 PM >>>
By strange means, there seems to be high level hatred, very so
pre-occupying the adrenalines of some comrades, towards Malema. What
is
wrong with ANCYL President executing ANCYL programme. The programme of
visiting schools is not Malema's individual programme, excited
somewhere... NO, It is a programme of the ANCYL, and the President, as
its face, is correct to lead that programme. Even lower structures,
Provinces, Regions and Branches can visit these schools in their
localities. There is no issue here, Deputy President did not say
schools
must not be visited at all, but during times that are convinient and
less-disruptive. It is true that this is a tradition of the congress
movement, to visit schools at the beginning of the year, It should not
be only a Minister responsible, but the leadership can always visit,
more especially at the beginning of the year.
Sowetan qouted Kgalema out of context, and is important to note that
the ANCYL programme was not decided over a bottle of a red wine.
Funky
Mpumalanga
>>> [email protected] 01/28/10 4:05 PM >>>
The recent wave against the Secretary General of the ANC, comrade
Gwede
Mantashe, is a serious threat to the stability of the ANC. It is
crucial
that all members of the ANC defend our Secretary General because that
would be tantamount to defending the ANC! We cannot keep silent when
we
know that those who hoped to ascend to the top echelons of resources
during the Zuma administration, are now frustrated because comrade
Nobhala has tightened screws and they want him out.
The truth is that among those who called for leadership change in
Polokwane, there were those who had hoped that once that leadership
was
gone, it was to be their turn at the spoils of power. However, they
used
a certain rhetoric that was to count against them because many of us
took it seriously the call that we must fight corruption with every
sinew of our able bodies. That the ANC must prioritise the poor and
the
working people as the most vulnerable sections of our society was (and
still is) for many of us a line of mar
ch. Comrade SG represents the
aspirations of many of the poor and working masses of our population.
This anger towards him is an attempt to deflect the ANC from its
historic mission of creating a better life for all, particularly for
the
poor and the working masses of this country.
This wave of resource-hungry comrades has also converged with that of
those whose political ambitions threaten to tear the ANC into pieces.
This convergence has been laid bare during the course of last week.
The
defiance of the political authority of the SG office and that of the
ANC
by a NEC member like Tokyo Sexwale over his report; the visit to
Kgutsong School by Julius Malema and his comments afterwards on the
warning by the Deputy President of the ANC and the country, comrade
Kgalema Mothlanthe, was not a coincidence but a signal that comrades
are
prepared to do anything to get their 'share' and fulfill their
ambitions. It must be a wake-up call to all of us ordinary members of
the ANC that evil thrives where good men and women do nothing.
The ANC needs its members to defend it during this period towards our
centenary in 2012. That conference in 2012 will either ruin the ANC
because of these uncontrollable ambitions; or unite all of us because
as
ordinary members of the ANC we would have refused to be led by those
whose interests are inimical to those of the ANC. And because we would
have stood up and said: Hands Off Our Secretary General!
Mzukisi Makatse
________________________________
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thabiso Radebe
Sent: 28 January 2010 11:24 AM
To: Cassey Madikgetla; Pogisho Seokamo;
[email protected]
Subject: Fwd: [YCLSA Discussion] Article from Sowetan
Maybe we must after all agree, here we are dealing with a paranoia.
For how long , how many times . I still don't buy the clumsy
excuses
of us having to allow Youth Leagues members or its leaders to go
on
confrontational course with its own ANC senior leadership. To crown it
all even ignoring comradely advices given by our Mass Democratic
Movement structures.
Malema suffers from accumulation of bubble wealth after effects, His
capitalist handlers keep so busy in return for his cooption into a
patronage driven politics.
Innocent and unsuspecting loyal ANC members with thier cult for power
by
hook or crook .
In anyway ANC YL legacy will remain in tact once democratic process
have
sought out the Bully Vague Malema Animal Farm syndrome.
With all due respect this ill-discipline practice has been
unnecessarily tolerated and incorrectly allowed to go too far. This
must come to an end .
For sanity to prevail all sober and visionary ANC- YL members
themselves have to recall this rascal.
The constitution makes a provision to remedy such conditions of
unbearable destructive mode, for me the organizational cohesion
,strength to provide necessary leadership should be exchanged for
anything not even insults.
All structures starting with provinces must wake up and save ANC YL
from
degenerating any further.
This move has absolutely nothing to do with factional tendencies
but
a principled matter if we really value the undisputed political
contributions made by previous ANC YL leadership collectives .The
MALEMA
generation must be reminded that they are no different from thier
predecessors they seem to have consciously taken a destructive tone,
with so very less positive things to be remembered for.
Malema disrespecting youth league members by running the organizations
affairs like unguided missile this is cheap politicking with falls
notion to capture cheap political fame. His forever in the media
for
wrong reasons .
We expect ANC YL that's responsibility in the effort of being good
custodians, I am not advocating macro management but we need sound
leadership to walk and talk youth development not
this sensationalism
act .How far is the Malema- NEC collective in implementing the
Mangaung/ Bloemfontein conference resolutions ?
What the basis of ANC YL structures current Program of Action ?
Stop pursuing politics of opposition this no different from the cope
or
da of this world who just go on rampage abusing our hard fought
democracy . ANC elected leaders deserve to given all due respect no
matter how we may differ with thier views ..
But light of this reality might all be equally be guilty for doing
nothing to stop anarchy that being entrenched within our structures
ANC
YL being used as launching pad .
Comrades history is going to punish us very harsh for succumbing to
this
type of battering politicking a reminiscent of the PAC COPE
rebellions.
There is nothing revolutionary about Malema drama but only
scandalous.
But we are also faced with the big challenge of going beyond Malema
sage
to establish how many of other Malemas out there misrepresenting
ANC
internal democratic space for members to express thier views .
What informs this persistence culture of arrogant defiance on the
part
of Malema?
ALUTA CONTINUA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> <[email protected]> 2010/01/28 09:20 AM >>>
From:
Sandile Ngcobo
Comments:
I wonder how does these visits benefits scholars, and uplift the
culture
of learning and teaching; or its another publicity stunt. I understand
only; The Right To Learn Campaign.
Keep Malema out of the schools - Kgalema
DEPUTY President Kgalema Motlanthe yesterday sent a message to school
principals to lock out ANC Youth League president Julius Malema.
Click here to go to the article
<http://www.sowetan.co.za/article.aspx?id=1108641>
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