Nkululenko Ngobese has spoken and no need to repeat if suffice to highlight that whoever wants to objectively engage on this matter must first of all tell us about their own private life. Baba Zuma's private life is his alone period and if people want to debate it let them do so but some of us do not care because we are not holier than him.
>>> Castro Ngobese <[email protected]> 2/1/2010 2:49 PM >>> Dear Comrades and Cadres! This is my brief contribution to President Jacob Zuma*s recent media revelations that he has a child with Irvin Khoza*s daughter. President Jacob Zuma had consensual sex with Iron Duke*s *daughter*, and this should not be a matter of public interest or consumption? What happens in someone*s bedroom is a private matter which does not require any interference by the media including the State. Journalists and political elites alike do not write or publicly tell us about their bedrooms passionate sessions or sexual relationships! The self-anointed high priest of morality as represented by the DA and ACDP will argue that President Zuma is married and that he should respect the institution of marriage. On that one I will disagree. Under the Capitalist system, marriage is an institution of patriarchal dominance and equally of unpaid labour. What we need to do here is to make a clear separation of marriage, morality and privacy. The fact that one is married is not an automatic license for others to invade and trash upon their privacy. Now President Zuma*s private life is undersiege. He has been thrown to the media wolves; both his dignity and that of the Iron Duke*s daughter he is *alleged* to have impregnated and involved with have been violated and compromised in pursuit of circulation margins and profits by the media which appears more interested in feeding the public junk stories as if we are residing in America or Italy. The puritanical witch hunt against President Zuma waged by the liberal media and the opposition is a typical modern day version of Christian fundamentalist crusades against *sin*. Married adults, are treated as though they are de facto sinners and sex pests. This witch hunt reinforces the idea in the public sphere that it is morally wrong for either a *married* man or woman to be sexually intimate with an unmarried partner. This interference in President Zuma*s private life aims at re-engineering society to conform to the capitalist sex *norm* of one man and one woman for life, hence denying the complexity of human sexuality. One of the greatest Marxist female thinkers Alexandra Kollontai once made this observation *there is no doubt: under communism all dependence of women upon men and all the elements of material calculation found in modem marriage will be absent. Sexual relationships will be based on a healthy instinct for reproduction prompted by the abandon of young love, or by fervent passion, or by a blaze of physical attraction or by a soft light of intellectual and emotional harmony*. Mas*jule Ngengxoxo! Castro Ngobese On 01/02/2010, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: Cde President, I'm afraid that is a bit of a stretch, even for me, cde Pres. I don't think I am going to be able to find Max du Preez's work on private lives. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack Isn't the argument over in this matter of private/public settled, anyway? I mean, the question of condoms and faithfulness has been preached in public to young people for many years already. The question of unmarried pregnancies, at least among young women still schooling, has been in the public realm for years, too. I think my good and honest comrade Lerato Motimele is correct about this. If the story is true, then it is nobody but the President (not you, I mean the State President!) who has embarrassed himself and all of his supporters. If the story is true, it is the State President who has handed a stick to Meshoe, and to the DA, to beat us all with. As for the Zulu manhood thing, eish, can somebody else please deal with that? Question: When Mrs Tiger Woods chased him out of the house with a golf club, and Tiger in his panic drove the family Cadillac into a tree in the street, was that a public or a private event? Do the YCL comrades have a view about that, or are they pretending that they never heard about it? Asikhulume! VC On 1 February 2010 11:49, sabelo gina <[email protected]> wrote: Cde VC, I am told Max Du Preez once wrote an opinion piece in the Star about "private lives" of leaders and he was attacked by his colleagues that hey are not interested in their private lives but their public issues. I do not know they seperated the two spheres of life then, public and private. Can you see if you can pick it up for the forum. Comradely, Sabelo On 2/1/10, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: Let's suppose that we suddenly get "a newspaper strictly run by the ANC and accesible to masses and compulsory at schools, a government paper on progress by the ANC and for the people." The other papers will still be there, or are you proposing to suppress them? If they are still there they will still be reporting things like Kenneth Meshoe's remarks. If you suppress them it could be worse. Who will be writing for this proposed new ANC paper? Let's say it employ's 20. Who will they be? Floyd Shivambu? Adam Habib? Joel Netshitenzhe? Ngoako Ramatlhodi? If you are not careful we would be out of the frying-pan and into the fire, with just a few selected voices and none of the ones we would prefer to hear. None of that is not going to happen, but if it does or if it does not, the development of new writers is what matters here. This forum has helped many writers. Let it continue to do so, and if they want to write about the President's alleged love-child with the "Iron Duke's" daughter, then let them. We live in South Africa, not an ivory tower. VC On 1 February 2010 10:50, kholekile shasha <[email protected]> wrote: cdes revolution comes with attacks on the head of an organization ways and means to try and destroy him so as to take away power from the ruling party. our president must not even comment on this matter as it is a private affair. the rev Moshoe yes has shown disrespect, he has used this platform to secure those 1 or 2 votes for a seat in parliament. he is not a problem the main people are the media and we all know who is behind the media.......international antirevolutionaries and the DA that have control of our banks and minerals, we just need to continue at our work towards nationalization and distribution of wealth this is just a mere sign that we are doing good everytime an attack is made on our president.let us also in this spirit propose a newspaper strictly run by the ANC and accesible to masses and compulsory at schools, a government paper on progress by the ANC and for the people. amandla cde SHASHA 0722157052 BUILDING SOCIALISM FOR A BETTER FUTURE FOR ALL. From: Tsubane Motlatsi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 10:32:00 AM Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion]Unfounded fallacy about President of the Country Hi comrades, I have been monitoring your interactions throughout since from last year and early this year. What is interesting is to see how eager comrades are to engage on issues, however, it was also quit interesting how comrades display their shenanigan tendencies, dealing with petty issues and using derogative language on one another. For an example this allegation on the president, comrades again allow themselves to be dictated by the media to craft a debate for them. This matter is a non matter and there*re far better issues to deal with. The people affected have not even engaged on the matter if it is true, but comrades have already expressed opinion on it. I think lets keep the character of this forum it is, let*s not vulgarise it cadres , lets try to be fundamental as much as we can I am not suggesting that we have to be stiff but lets not loose content. Motlatsi From:[email protected] [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Xoli Dlabantu Sent: 01 February 2010 09:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion]Unfounded fallacy about President of the Country What about the fact that Moshoe's party was formed 4 months before elections as a National Party puppet...so what kind of an addict is he. A slave addict, a sell-out....or whatever...does it really matter. I think Moshoe is sick, and he needs to be laid hands on by his congregation before he can proclaim to be a reverend..and later undergo counselling sessions. He should undergo esteem and ego counselling sessions, and appreciate who he really is ..not a white puppet hiding behind the vail of religion..Moshoe is not God...He's a mere right-wing puppet masquerading as a priest...a puppet who does what he knows best...howling...solution..disregard him... On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Khutjo Mphahlele <[email protected]> wrote: Morning comrades I'm currently concern comrades about The so called Reverend Kenneth Meshoe on the rumors that President Jacob Zuma is the father of 4 Months old Baby Thandekile Matina Khoza,Moruti wa Tsotsi Meshoe just labeled our President as 'Sex addict' who should go for rehab. Rubbishing the name and image of the President in this regard its totally unacceptable and Meshoe must apologize in public and to the President as well. In the Bible King Solomon has many wives, so why JZ should become a laughing stock when he emerge on other woman. 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