Comrade Nyiko, are you suggesting in any way, that this would be a better world if the media were to be taken away?
Lucky Biyase Business Report Reporter: Mining and Agriculture (011) 633 2671 (011) 838 2693 083 345 3009 [email protected] ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Makatse Mzukisi Sent: 18 March 2010 14:33 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt on journos? Floyd, I believe that comrades who participate in this forum are not children who can be blackmailed by your selective quotation of Karl Marx. We do not want to be deflected from what the real issues are. If there are allegations of corruption on the part of some ANCYL leaders, let that be investigated without you intimidating those institutions that ought to conduct such an investigation. Fighting corruption must not be used as rhetoric when conditions suit a particular clique. The YL must demonstrate leadership and take upon itself to assist law enforcement agencies in investigating those of us in the ANCYL who are alleged to be corrupt. If you have information about any person, whether journalist or comrade, who is corrupt, take it to the police station and file a case. Court processes will then ensue, applying laws of evidence, procedure and criminal law. If you should know, Marxism is no dogma! The role of media is not only to engender ideas of the ruling class (maybe you should also unpack who constitute this ruling class). Media also plays a critical role as watchdogs of society against the abuse of power as we have seen it. To suggest that we must think that what ever we read from newspapers is cooked capitalist ideas is rather mischievous, childish and naïve. We cannot be shy about defending media freedom because once we allow for threats to media freedoms, in no time that conduct will be extended to our own freedoms as citizens. We are painfully aware of the apartheid experiences in this regard. Your obsession with a communist takeover of the ANC/ANCYL is a tired argument and reflects your immaturity in understating the character and class composition of the ANC/ANCYL. So please chief, engage constructively than threatening comrade VC using your selective Marxism dogma. Mzukisi Makatse ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nyiko Floyd Shivambu Sent: 18 March 2010 02:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt on journos? Comrade Mzukisi Your view is balanced and reflects a sense of organic interaction with politics, not some desktop mobilisation of communists to support Journalists against the ANC YL as done by certain people. This mobilisation even goes to the extent to mobilising some SOS, which has nothing to do with this issue to oppose the ANC YL, because someone finds it fashionable to oppose the movement. It's really unscientific and illusionary to believe that media can in a capitalist system, embrace progressive ideals. Let's wake up and smell the coffee. This world is real. On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I propose that we unpack the character of our media in this country. I am very sure that we all agree that our media does not play the expected role. In a class struggle ideas, beliefs and values are important and media is a very strong tool that cannot be left in the hands of class rivals. But to be honest in the spats of the past two months you one does not not the difference between a revolutionary and a reactionary, between communist and capitalist, between conscious or spontaneous assertions etc. Our media has also played a large role in pitting comrades against each other. This country, I repeat, is far from producing alternative media. I was told that Kaya FM or Y-FM, I am not sure which one, is the product of the ANC. If this is real, are we using it to the advantage of our revolution? I believe Floyd we also close space when we attack people that we should have won to our side. The liberation movement, we say is an omnibus, meaning that we should mobilise communities and consolidate them behind the ideals of the working biased NDR. Journalists should form part of that. The recent internal and dynamic processes in the movement have shown that self-destruct is possible if there are no revolutionary checks and balances in what we do, these can come thru patriotic media, revolutionary Alliance, communities, revolutionary intellectuals etc. importance of ideas, beliefs and values with regard to the class struggle. On 3/18/10, Nyiko Floyd Shivambu <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: "The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling ideas of the epoch"...... This stems from a correct scientific discovery by a revolutionary scientific socialist, Karl Marx, whose correct observation was that "the ideas of a the ruling class are in every epoch, the ruling ideas". I am now worried that Dominic (whom you refer to as VC) is misguiding 'commmunists" to defend Journalists, who in a capitalist society are agents of the capitalist mental reproduction. factionalism has potential to annihiliate our organisation. -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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