We were supposed to get World Cup Fever. Instead we got Floyd Flu, Malema Enema, and Jub-Jub Jaundice.
Sies! On 18 March 2010 17:38, Lucky Biyase <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrade Nyiko, are you suggesting in any way, that this would be a better > world if the media were to be taken away? > > > Lucky Biyase > > Business Report > > Reporter: Mining and Agriculture > > (011) 633 2671 > > (011) 838 2693 > > 083 345 3009 > > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Makatse Mzukisi > *Sent:* 18 March 2010 14:33 > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt > on journos? > > Floyd, > > > > I believe that comrades who participate in this forum are not children who > can be blackmailed by your selective quotation of Karl Marx. We do not want > to be deflected from what the real issues are. If there are allegations of > corruption on the part of some ANCYL leaders, let that be investigated > without you intimidating those institutions that ought to conduct such an > investigation. Fighting corruption must not be used as rhetoric when > conditions suit a particular clique. The YL must demonstrate leadership and > take upon itself to assist law enforcement agencies in investigating those > of us in the ANCYL who are alleged to be corrupt. > > > > If you have information about any person, whether journalist or comrade, > who is corrupt, take it to the police station and file a case. Court > processes will then ensue, applying laws of evidence, procedure and criminal > law. > > > > If you should know, Marxism is no dogma! The role of media is not only to > engender ideas of the ruling class (maybe you should also unpack who > constitute this ruling class). Media also plays a critical role as watchdogs > of society against the abuse of power as we have seen it. To suggest that we > must think that what ever we read from newspapers is cooked capitalist ideas > is rather mischievous, childish and naïve. > > > > We cannot be shy about defending media freedom because once we allow for > threats to media freedoms, in no time that conduct will be extended to our > own freedoms as citizens. We are painfully aware of the apartheid > experiences in this regard. > > > > Your obsession with a communist takeover of the ANC/ANCYL is a tired > argument and reflects your immaturity in understating the character and > class composition of the ANC/ANCYL. > > > > So please chief, engage constructively than threatening comrade VC using > your selective Marxism dogma. > > > > Mzukisi Makatse > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Nyiko Floyd Shivambu > *Sent:* 18 March 2010 02:01 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt > on journos? > > > > Comrade Mzukisi > > > > Your view is balanced and reflects a sense of organic interaction with > politics, not some desktop mobilisation of communists to support Journalists > against the ANC YL as done by certain people. This mobilisation even goes to > the extent to mobilising some SOS, which has nothing to do with this issue > to oppose the ANC YL, because someone finds it fashionable to oppose the > movement. It's really unscientific and illusionary to believe that media can > in a capitalist system, embrace progressive ideals. Let's wake up and smell > the coffee. This world is real. > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Mzukisi Ronyuza <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > I propose that we unpack the character of our media in this country. I am > very sure that we all agree that our media does not play the expected role. > In a class struggle ideas, beliefs and values are important and media is a > very strong tool that cannot be left in the hands of class rivals. But to be > honest in the spats of the past two months you one does not not the > difference between a revolutionary and a reactionary, between communist and > capitalist, between conscious or spontaneous assertions etc. Our media has > also played a large role in pitting comrades against each other. This > country, I repeat, is far from producing alternative media. *I was told > that Kaya FM or Y-FM, I am not sure which one, is the product of the ANC. > *If this is real, are we using it to the advantage of our revolution? > > > > I believe Floyd we also close space when we attack people that we should > have won to our side. The liberation movement, we say is an omnibus, meaning > that we should mobilise communities and consolidate them behind the ideals > of the working biased NDR. Journalists should form part of that. The > recent internal and dynamic processes in the movement have shown that > self-destruct is possible if there are no revolutionary checks and balances > in what we do, these can come thru patriotic media, revolutionary > Alliance, communities, revolutionary intellectuals etc. > > > > > > > importance of ideas, beliefs and values with regard to the class struggle. > > > On 3/18/10, *Nyiko Floyd Shivambu* <[email protected]> wrote: > > "The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things > consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a > class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident > that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as > thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and > distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling > ideas of the epoch"...... > > > > This stems from a correct scientific discovery by a revolutionary > scientific socialist, Karl Marx, whose correct observation was that "the > ideas of a the ruling class are in every epoch, the ruling ideas". I am now > worried that Dominic (whom you refer to as VC) is misguiding 'commmunists" > to defend Journalists, who in a capitalist society are agents of the > capitalist mental reproduction. factionalism has potential to annihiliate > our organisation. > > -- > > You are subscribed. 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