Come what may without proof from utterances...I am appaled that a comrade if he is may go to a point of suggesting that the revolutionary left organisations in the form of the union and the party be dissolved and we should nationalise ppls chickens.
My worry is the state of mind that produces such ideas, Songezo u need a sabbatical from this forum to restructure ur thinking as they not ultra right or anarchic but highly disturbing Sorry chana, we disciplined members who work in an organised manner and can never run the street in the fashion you prescribe Sober up politically On 09/09/2010, Sibusiso Mhlongo <[email protected]> wrote: > Maqabane > > > > Cde Songezo is not a disciplined cadre of our movement, I am certain. > This is alien to our movement. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cyril Masilela > Sent: 08 September 2010 11:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] (Dissolve the YCL) Article by David > Masondo, YCL National Chairperson > > > > Cde vc, > > > > Can you set a better criteria of people who can participate in this > forum, we need not suggest for some to be removed, lest they pollute > fresh minds and lead them astray. > > > > Maxism with emotions = ANARCHY > > > > cde songezo (if you are still a comrade) > > > > The SACP and YCL are revolutionary organisations with their immediate > objective, to establish a socislist south africa. These organisations > have their foundation of Marxism-Leninsm, equiped with Dialectical > materialism. If you do not use the above mentioned, then you are even > worse to give such unscientific advice or proposal to these > organisations. If you are a Marxist as you want us to beleive, desist > from your arnachist acts and utilise science. Make reference to the 6th > Comintern resolutions, the Black republic thesis etc. From there you > shall be a humble marxist and fight together with us for socialism in > south africa. If you cannot afford this, dont even respond and form the > anarchist group (your own freedom of association) independent of the > home of the working class organisations. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Songezo Mleqwa <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 9:57:57 PM > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] (Dissolve the YCL) Article by David > Masondo, YCL National Chairperson > > Dear VC > > > > I have an important proposal here. > > > > I propose that we dissolve the SACP, YCL and all other working class > organisations. All these are bereaucratic, technical and administrative > instruments which are meant to constrain our revolutionary, honest and > frank views and actions. We regret greatly for having formed these > unnecessary obstacles that keeps us away from revolutionary action. > Their constitutions, procedures and useless rules have become the chains > that binds the working class forever in bourgeoisie bondage. The leaders > of these organisations are, in fact, the greatest impediments towards > the struggle for socialism. These working class organisations are in the > strictest sense created to bind us into alliances with the ANC, vote for > them, and thereafter they dump us and empower their families. > > > > I also propose that immediately after their resolution, we should then, > all of us, free in a chaotic and anarchic fashion, disorganised; we then > fight the bourgeoisie. We should teach them a lesson and overthrow them > from power. We should start with the Zuma family. Take all that belongs > to them which they have acquired through ZEE. Then we should nationalise > Nkandla, his wives, his chickens and so forth. Then we should go for > Malema. Strip him off of his personal Range Rover, mansions, watches and > his paper tiger revolutionary outlook. Then proceed to the mines. > > > > All of these are possible comrades, and they are revolutionary. We are > unable to do all of these beccause we are bound by organisations, their > constitutions and their leadership censoreships. People like the > ridiculous YCL National office and who keep on emphasising > organisational discipline continue to hold us back from expressing our > true views and engaging into real action against the bourgeoisie. Their > technical and administrative hinderances can no longer be tolerated. > When they meet, discuss and agree on what needs to happen, they > undermine and suppress the minority by instructing them to follow the > Party Line. Let us cross the party line. Let us erase the Party Line. > > > > Away with the Party Line Away > > Down with organisations Down! > > Down with YCL structures and leaders Down > > Forward to Freedom of Speech Forward > > Long Live Comrade David Masondo Long Live > Long Live Comrade Dale McKinley Long Live > > Long Live Comrade Trevor Ngwane Long Live > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Vusi Makamu <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 9:13:24 AM > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > Chairperson > > The article by cde David speaks directly of what we are against for as > the communist,there is nothing anti-communist about the article and the > statement by the NEC OF YCL seek to decide us while the article of > Masondo addresses our concern .our struggle for economic empowerment was > not to benefit the few who are political connect but the benefit the > most marginlised and the poor. > > comrade David thanks for being bold and ur article proves as to why you > have been elected chairperson of ycl . > >>>> Petrus Mhlari <[email protected]> 2010/09/06 05:33 PM >>> > > Very Bold in did of cde Masondo,however the yCL thought it necessary to > distance themselves to the statement which i think is unfourtunate,Views > expressed by cde Masondo is a perception shared by many in the country > most of whom are poor > > Some of this narrow Bee is not impressive as it goes to the connected > nothing about the poor that we all wish to be representing one would > have expected the Ycl to state their position in that regard/propose how > they think. > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Trevor Kekana > Sent: 06 September 2010 03:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > Chairperson > > > > Cde. VC > > > > Cde. David Masondo is a very bold leader who calls things by their > correct name. He does not dilly-dally around a principle. This matter > does not require internal debates - but frank talk. > > > > I am shocked that some in the YCL are so terrified that they want to > single-out the National Chairperson in this manner. How many times has > either the Secretary or Chairperson written or spoken on issues that are > in the public domain (and of public interest and concern) without such > statements being issued? What is the difference now? Why should the YCL > pussyfoot around a clear matter case like this? > > > > This deal would never have gone to this current batch had it not been > for their ties with the president. Cde. Masondo must be engaged > constructively by comrades without being fed to the pride in the den by > his own comrades. These views resonate with the masses of our people. > > > > Regards > > Trevor Kekana > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie > Sent: 06 September 2010 03:03 PM > To: YCLSA EOM Forum > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > Chairperson > > > > > > > YCLSA > > Statement by the YCL National Office Bearers, 5 September 2010 > > > Article by David Masondo, YCL National Chairperson > > > > The YCLSA National Office Bearers wishes to distance themselves and the > organisation from the views expressed by the YCLSA National Chairperson, > Comrade David Masondo, in yesterday's edition of the City Press (title > and page). > > This is an extra ordinary decision by the YCLSA to denounce the action > of one of our leaders in public, but since this has been done in public, > we had no choice but to take this action in the interest of > organisational cohesion and unity. > > The YCLSA has in the recent past expressed our discomfort in the manner > in which the Arcelor Mittal BEE deal has been structured, and our > general principled approach towards the role of politicians or their > immediate families and business interests, and our opposition towards > corruption and narrow BEE. 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