VC I dont realy care about the administrative structure of YCL, i am questioning its purpose for existance... I want to say this openly... this false respect in the alliance is disgusting... I would rather have a debate like this every day, than to have the nonsense of these foreign South African failing us on the redistrubution of wealth... I hope David or another comrade writes another one, naming and shaming these so called our leaders when they neglect the future of SA the youth, for their own stomachs.... w...@h! On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Songezo Mleqwa <[email protected]> wrote:
> VC > > Just for you information, the YCL is not an NGO... > Aluta > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andile Mafa <[email protected]> > > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tue, September 7, 2010 6:22:45 PM > *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National > Chairperson > > VC > > I am just sick of our organisations being used for what they dont stand > for... I do stand for organisational discipline, but YCL is costing us the > economic revolution we seek for... these black elite...must be treated as we > treaed apartheid, VC... what UNITY and Cohension are they talking about... > we as young please of SA are like a woman in an abusive marriage wanting to > revolt against the abuse, but elders or tradition keep saying BEKEZALA > MTANAMI, what Nonsense... David I commend you, we are mobilising civil > society now cause our organisations are used for ... u fill in the misswing > words... what kind of a future vanguard movement would let this behaviour > go.... and not violently confront it. > > w...@h!.... kanti YINI i REVOLUTION > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Songezo Mleqwa <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Dearest VC >> >> I have read both Masondo's article and the YCL statements. I think we >> should understand the rationale behind the National Office statement. The >> basic point here is that you do not go out and break organisational >> discipline and make yourself a HERO, raising issues merely because they are >> right and use the name and position accorded to you by the organisation. >> There is always a rider called "The writer is so and so but writes in his >> personal capacity..." when anyone writes in the newspapers if those views >> are not the official position of the organisation. >> >> The Proffessor should have know this: no matter how intelligent or >> educated or heroic or popular or bold you are or want to be, you can never >> be above the organisation. This is like Holomisa who was bold enough to >> expose corruption of certain leaders of the ANC in the Ciskei, contradicting >> an organisational decision and the organisation itself, confusing his >> personal popularity and so called principled approach. It is not that the >> ANC was supportive of corruption and those who were corrupt, but it was >> important for the ANC to protect its organisational discipline from such >> abuse. When we join organisations, we submit to its constitution and other >> cultures. Masondo has been around long enough, and has actyually presided >> over the expulsion of some comrades who have committed such acts. I actually >> believe that the YCL statement was linient. >> >> I agree that the YCL should be vocal on all of these issues, but the YCL >> is not a picnin organisation where, without engament within the >> organisation, anyone can make any statement on its behalf. This is not a >> free for all but an organisation with rules and procedures. If all of these >> are less important than the views and emotions of individual leaders, then >> we may as well not have this YCL. Lets not be worshippers of men at the >> expense of organisational procedures and principles. I am sure the national >> office agrees with the views expressed by Prof Masondo, but does it mean, >> for expediency, they should just let go and allow the rule of the jungle. >> >> Communist regards >> Songezo Mleqwa >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Vusi Makamu <[email protected]> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tue, September 7, 2010 9:13:24 AM >> >> *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National >> Chairperson >> >> The article by cde David speaks directly of what we are against for as the >> communist,there is nothing anti-communist about the article and the >> statement by the NEC OF YCL seek to decide us while the article of Masondo >> addresses our concern .our struggle for economic empowerment was not to >> benefit the few who are political connect but the benefit the most >> marginlised and the poor. >> comrade David thanks for being bold and ur article proves as to why you >> have been elected chairperson of ycl . >> >> >>> Petrus Mhlari <[email protected]> 2010/09/06 05:33 PM >>> >> >> Very Bold in did of cde Masondo,however the yCL thought it necessary to >> distance themselves to the statement which i think is unfourtunate,Views >> expressed by cde Masondo is a perception shared by many in the country most >> of whom are poor >> >> Some of this narrow Bee is not impressive as it goes to the connected >> nothing about the poor that we all wish to be representing one would have >> expected the Ycl to state their position in that regard/propose how they >> think. >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Trevor Kekana >> *Sent:* 06 September 2010 03:33 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National >> Chairperson >> >> >> >> Cde. VC >> >> >> >> Cde. David Masondo is a very bold leader who calls things by their correct >> name. He does not dilly-dally around a principle. This matter does not >> require internal debates - but frank talk. >> >> >> >> I am shocked that some in the YCL are so terrified that they want to >> single-out the National Chairperson in this manner. How many times has >> either the Secretary or Chairperson written or spoken on issues that are in >> the public domain (and of public interest and concern) without such >> statements being issued? What is the difference now? Why should the YCL >> pussyfoot around a clear matter case like this? >> >> >> >> This deal would never have gone to this current batch had it not been for >> their ties with the president. Cde. Masondo must be engaged constructively >> by comrades without being fed to the pride in the den by his own comrades. >> These views resonate with the masses of our people. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Trevor Kekana >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dominic Tweedie >> *Sent:* 06 September 2010 03:03 PM >> *To:* YCLSA EOM Forum >> *Subject:* [YCLSA Discussion] Article by David Masondo, YCL National >> Chairperson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: YCLSA] >> >> *Statement by the YCL National Office Bearers, 5 September 2010 * >> >> >> *Article by David Masondo, YCL National Chairperson* >> >> >> >> The YCLSA National Office Bearers wishes to distance themselves and the >> organisation from the views expressed by the YCLSA National Chairperson, >> Comrade David Masondo, in yesterday’s edition of the City Press (title and >> page). >> >> This is an extra ordinary decision by the YCLSA to denounce the action of >> one of our leaders in public, but since this has been done in public, we had >> no choice but to take this action in the interest of organisational cohesion >> and unity. >> >> The YCLSA has in the recent past expressed our discomfort in the manner in >> which the Arcelor Mittal BEE deal has been structured, and our general >> principled approach towards the role of politicians or their immediate >> families and business interests, and our opposition towards corruption and >> narrow BEE. We stand firmly on these views and will never retreat in >> consistently raising them in a manner that seeks to maintain the unity and >> cohesion of the alliance. >> >> However, we have emphasised the need to desist from public attacks on any >> leader of the Alliance in the manner in which Comrade Masondo has attacked >> the President of the ANC and of the republic, and will further take this >> engagement internally. What is more discomforting is the fact that Comrade >> Masondo has never canvassed these views internally within the YCLSA, but has >> now made them public in his capacity as the YCLSA National Chairperson. >> Whatever our views, whether wrong or right, there are set organisational >> processes to raise these views. >> >> There are already strained relations within the Alliance partners, and as >> a result, the YCLSA will play no further role in deepening these strained >> relations, but will seek to constructively towards building unity and >> cohesion of the Alliance. >> >> We call on all our members to exercise restraint and ensure that we use >> all organisational platforms to raise whatever issues that we deem burning >> before resorting to public pronouncements. >> >> >> *Issued by the YCLSA National Office Bearers on behalf of the YCLSA* >> >> *For more information, please contact Gugu Ndima* >> * * >> *Gugu Ndima* >> * +27 76 783 1516 +27 76 783 1516 +27 76 783 1516 +27 76 783 1516 >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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