Hahahahahaha Cde. Khaye, I really don't understand what you might be implying, maybe Cde. Sabelo knows what you are on about.....
I was just clarifying him ...LOL!!! Regards Cde. Gugu On 10/6/10, khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey you two!! Its like there is a ncwaaah story behind a story of your > fighting a reconciliation here. Tell us? > > (Lighter note) > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:23:18 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P > ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES > > u welcome!! > > On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ngiyabonga >> >> Sent from my Nokia phone >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gugu Ndima >> Sent: 06/10/2010 9:04:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> Comrade Sabelo, I was merely cautioning that we remain objective when we >> engage >> >> No I could never hold a grugde for a fellow comrade leader..Kudlulile!! >> >> Regards >> >> Gugu >> >> On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Gugu, what have i done now? Are you telling me about a grudge that you >>> have? >>> My apologies if your read emotions in the words I wrote. Comradely, >>> Cedric >>> >>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gugu Ndima >>> Sent: 06/10/2010 5:07:42 pm >>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> Cadre Sabelo, we must equally appreciate criticism and be able to bring >>> sober clarity to fellow comrades so they understand the our stance >>> >>> I remember not so long you had accused me of being a Molefe when I humbly >>> made an attempt to correct some of the deviations which were taking place >>> in >>> the forum. As a senior leader I think its best that you make Cde. Thabang >>> understand the current contradictions and our role as the vanguard. We >>> should minimise being emotional so as to avoid clouding core issues >>> >>> I do not recall at any stage Thabang where the YCL and SACP misled the >>> working class particularly when it relates to the state apparatus and >>> machinery used at times to oppress the working class, or hinder with >>> their >>> right to demand for better employment conditions. >>> >>> Infact the YCL has been very vocal about police brutality, lack of >>> service >>> delivery and our branches have been very visible in the very same service >>> delivery protests. When the Police commissioner boldly took to the >>> streets >>> to pronounce on shoot to kill, we were very clear on our stance to a >>> point >>> where the Minister himself requested that we meet on this issue...we have >>> never back-tracked or been apologetic on advocating for the working class >>> and the poor. >>> >>> The YCLSA made submissions together with Unions on the Banning of Labour >>> brokers and we continue to to work on the ground with young workers who >>> are >>> subjected to such injustices. >>> >>> Ours is not to parade our victories and calls for change in society. >>> There >>> are a number of campaigns which now find resonance with other political >>> formations and the government, where the SACP and the YCL were the >>> champions. But there is no intellectual property of the revolution and >>> ours >>> is only to advance it. We are not in the Olympics nor are we contesting >>> anyone. Ours is to boldly fight Capitalism and the >>> socio-economic disparates it continues to perpetuate in our society. >>> >>> Let us also take note of the fact that the are members of the ANC who >>> members of the SACP as much as we are all members of the PYA. we should >>> not >>> at any stage be apologetic about being members in all Alliance >>> components. >>> Lets also keep in mind that the ANC is broader church, contested by >>> various >>> class components. This will emanate even within the State. the State >>> still >>> remains untransformed and that continues to be a challenge particularly >>> for >>> the working class and the poor. >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Cde. Gugu >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, [email protected] >>> <[email protected] >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thabang, i am sure you were angry when you wrote your input. Elders have >>>> cautined me not to write when i am angry and i took their advice. I >>>> would >>>> suggest that you do the same. It is not good to generalise when >>>> discussing >>>> important matters of the national democratic revolution. Comradely, >>>> Sabelo >>>> >>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Thabang Ngcozela >>>> Sent: 05/10/2010 6:01:01 pm >>>> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>> >>>> maybe it is important to indicate as well that the anc as the party in >>>> charge of the state machinery is the employer that also promotes >>>> anti-worker >>>> policies and working conditions that inflicts the same injustices the da >>>> advances. it is hypocritical for the yclsa to pretend that the da is the >>>> only party that advances these injustices because the anc does exacle >>>> the >>>> same. For how long will the sacp and yclsa will they continue to be >>>> apologetic for the anc and mislead the working class to believe that >>>> there >>>> are fundemental difference between the da and anc. They all stand for >>>> capitalism, which is the natural enemy of the working class. >>>> >>>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:59:04 +0200 >>>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT >>>> OF >>>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>> >>>> >>>> 5 OCTOBER 2010 >>>> >>>> >>>> The Young Communist League of >>>> South Africa (uFasimba) is appalled but not shocked by the ignorance >>>> demonstrated by the DA in their proposal to parliament to amend the >>>> Labour >>>> Relations Act. The proposed amendments are to ensure that Unions who >>>> embark >>>> on >>>> a strike will be held liable for any property damaged during strikes. >>>> The >>>> amendment >>>> further demands that Unions put in place measures to prevent violence, >>>> injury and >>>> damage to property; this insinuates that all property damaged and >>>> violence >>>> during strikes is caused by workers. >>>> >>>> >>>> These proposals unfortunately >>>> expose the ignorance and blatant misconception of what a strike is >>>> according to >>>> the DA and equally the objectives of a strike. A strike unfortunately is >>>> not a >>>> spontaneous event which is a result of a caucus of a few individuals who >>>> have >>>> nothing better to do with their time. A strike culminates from a >>>> strenuous >>>> exercise >>>> of negotiations and bargaining with stakeholders involved. It is a last >>>> resort >>>> which Unions only embark on when deemed necessary. Further to that, no >>>> Union >>>> has ever encouraged violence and hooliganism whenever unions take to the >>>> streets. >>>> >>>> >>>> The violence that DA’s supposedly >>>> sees is as a result of the intransigent attitude demonstrated by >>>> Employers >>>> or >>>> Management who undermine the right of workers to strike and resort to >>>> utilising >>>> police brutality and violence to avoid proper negotiations and giving >>>> workers >>>> what they rightfully demand, in their cause to emancipate themselves >>>> from >>>> perpetual exploitation and harsh working conditions. When police shoot >>>> randomly >>>> and go on a rampage against workers, there is little reprimanding as >>>> such >>>> maliciousness is viewed by the likes of the DA as the restoration of Law >>>> and >>>> order. >>>> >>>> >>>> The DA should perhaps consider >>>> mobilising its elite constituency which mainly consists predominantly of >>>> the >>>> culprits that refuse to meet worker demands, to abolish Labour broking, >>>> give >>>> workers a decent living wage and probably leave their well-furnished, >>>> air-conditioned >>>> offices to see some of the harsh conditions they subject workers to. >>>> >>>> As the YCLSA we are well aware >>>> that it’s the inherent nature and character of the DA to take such >>>> distorted >>>> and antagonistic postures when it comes to worker issues. We advise that >>>> the DA >>>> starts a process of conscientizing its members about worker struggles in >>>> our >>>> country and propose progressive amendments which will expose Employers >>>> of >>>> this >>>> country and hold them accountable for exploitation and further more join >>>> us >>>> in >>>> the call to Ban Labour brokers within the very same LRA they want to >>>> amend. >>>> >>>> >>>> Unions are a dire necessity given >>>> the state of our private and public sector. Despite progressive laws in >>>> place >>>> within the LRA, employers continue to find ways to deviate from them and >>>> this >>>> creates the patterns of resistance and ultimately workers taking to the >>>> streets >>>> to fight these socio-economic injustices. The proposed >>>> amendment by the DA is another way to suppress and undermine workers >>>> rights >>>> to >>>> strike, as the YCLSA we call for the proposal to be shelved as it has no >>>> place >>>> in our democracy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Issued by the YCLSA Head office >>>> >>>> Contact >>>> >>>> Gugu Ndima >>>> >>>> National spokesperson >>>> >>>> 076 783 1516 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gugu Ndima >>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gugu Ndima >>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>> >>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>>> to >>>> this message. >>>> >>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>> >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>> [email protected]. >>>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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