Cde. Khaye, Please stop feeding this matter!!! There is absolutely N.O.T.H.I.N.G to tell or clarify!
Leaders, i dont want strange calls from Journalists tomorrow asking ODD questions! Cadre Sabelo is a well-respected SENIOR in the movement......finish and klaar!!! Regards Gugu On 10/6/10, khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it would be good juicy headline > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:40:29 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P > ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES > > Leaders please, please!!! > > The next thing you will see DISTORTED HEADLINES on sunday papers > > This is a very COMRADELY discussion!!! > > > > LOL... > > Regards > > Gugu > > On 10/6/10, Luzuko Buku <[email protected]> wrote: >> Eish Khaye I concure, I am excited by these exchanges from comrade Gina >> and >> Gugu, very interesting staff. They must tell us indeed >> >> >> >> >> "The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of >> class >> antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 10:26:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >> AMENDMENT >> OF >> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> Hey you two!! Its like there is a ncwaaah story behind a story of your >> fighting >> a reconciliation here. Tell us? >> >> (Lighter note) >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:23:18 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P >> ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> u welcome!! >> >> On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Ngiyabonga >>> >>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gugu Ndima >>> Sent: 06/10/2010 9:04:18 pm >>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> Comrade Sabelo, I was merely cautioning that we remain objective when we >>> engage >>> >>> No I could never hold a grugde for a fellow comrade leader..Kudlulile!! >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Gugu >>> >>> On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Gugu, what have i done now? Are you telling me about a grudge that you >>>> have? >>>> My apologies if your read emotions in the words I wrote. Comradely, >>>> Cedric >>>> >>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gugu Ndima >>>> Sent: 06/10/2010 5:07:42 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>> >>>> Cadre Sabelo, we must equally appreciate criticism and be able to bring >>>> sober clarity to fellow comrades so they understand the our stance >>>> >>>> I remember not so long you had accused me of being a Molefe when I >>>> humbly >>>> made an attempt to correct some of the deviations which were taking >>>> place >>>> in >>>> the forum. As a senior leader I think its best that you make Cde. >>>> Thabang >>>> understand the current contradictions and our role as the vanguard. We >>>> should minimise being emotional so as to avoid clouding core issues >>>> >>>> I do not recall at any stage Thabang where the YCL and SACP misled the >>>> working class particularly when it relates to the state apparatus and >>>> machinery used at times to oppress the working class, or hinder with >>>> their >>>> right to demand for better employment conditions. >>>> >>>> Infact the YCL has been very vocal about police brutality, lack of >>>> service >>>> delivery and our branches have been very visible in the very same >>>> service >>>> delivery protests. When the Police commissioner boldly took to the >>>> streets >>>> to pronounce on shoot to kill, we were very clear on our stance to a >>>> point >>>> where the Minister himself requested that we meet on this issue...we >>>> have >>>> never back-tracked or been apologetic on advocating for the working >>>> class >>>> and the poor. >>>> >>>> The YCLSA made submissions together with Unions on the Banning of Labour >>>> brokers and we continue to to work on the ground with young workers who >>>> are >>>> subjected to such injustices. >>>> >>>> Ours is not to parade our victories and calls for change in society. >>>> There >>>> are a number of campaigns which now find resonance with other political >>>> formations and the government, where the SACP and the YCL were the >>>> champions. But there is no intellectual property of the revolution and >>>> ours >>>> is only to advance it. We are not in the Olympics nor are we contesting >>>> anyone. Ours is to boldly fight Capitalism and the >>>> socio-economic disparates it continues to perpetuate in our society. >>>> >>>> Let us also take note of the fact that the are members of the ANC who >>>> members of the SACP as much as we are all members of the PYA. we should >>>> not >>>> at any stage be apologetic about being members in all Alliance >>>> components. >>>> Lets also keep in mind that the ANC is broader church, contested by >>>> various >>>> class components. This will emanate even within the State. the State >>>> still >>>> remains untransformed and that continues to be a challenge particularly >>>> for >>>> the working class and the poor. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Cde. Gugu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, [email protected] >>>> <[email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thabang, i am sure you were angry when you wrote your input. Elders >>>>> have >>>>> cautined me not to write when i am angry and i took their advice. I >>>>> would >>>>> suggest that you do the same. It is not good to generalise when >>>>> discussing >>>>> important matters of the national democratic revolution. Comradely, >>>>> Sabelo >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Thabang Ngcozela >>>>> Sent: 05/10/2010 6:01:01 pm >>>>> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>> >>>>> maybe it is important to indicate as well that the anc as the party in >>>>> charge of the state machinery is the employer that also promotes >>>>> anti-worker >>>>> policies and working conditions that inflicts the same injustices the >>>>> da >>>>> advances. it is hypocritical for the yclsa to pretend that the da is >>>>> the >>>>> only party that advances these injustices because the anc does exacle >>>>> the >>>>> same. For how long will the sacp and yclsa will they continue to be >>>>> apologetic for the anc and mislead the working class to believe that >>>>> there >>>>> are fundemental difference between the da and anc. They all stand for >>>>> capitalism, which is the natural enemy of the working class. >>>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:59:04 +0200 >>>>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>>> AMENDMENT >>>>> OF >>>>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 5 OCTOBER 2010 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Young Communist League of >>>>> South Africa (uFasimba) is appalled but not shocked by the ignorance >>>>> demonstrated by the DA in their proposal to parliament to amend the >>>>> Labour >>>>> Relations Act. The proposed amendments are to ensure that Unions who >>>>> embark >>>>> on >>>>> a strike will be held liable for any property damaged during strikes. >>>>> The >>>>> amendment >>>>> further demands that Unions put in place measures to prevent violence, >>>>> injury and >>>>> damage to property; this insinuates that all property damaged and >>>>> violence >>>>> during strikes is caused by workers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These proposals unfortunately >>>>> expose the ignorance and blatant misconception of what a strike is >>>>> according to >>>>> the DA and equally the objectives of a strike. A strike unfortunately >>>>> is >>>>> not a >>>>> spontaneous event which is a result of a caucus of a few individuals >>>>> who >>>>> have >>>>> nothing better to do with their time. A strike culminates from a >>>>> strenuous >>>>> exercise >>>>> of negotiations and bargaining with stakeholders involved. It is a last >>>>> resort >>>>> which Unions only embark on when deemed necessary. Further to that, no >>>>> Union >>>>> has ever encouraged violence and hooliganism whenever unions take to >>>>> the >>>>> streets. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The violence that DA’s supposedly >>>>> sees is as a result of the intransigent attitude demonstrated by >>>>> Employers >>>>> or >>>>> Management who undermine the right of workers to strike and resort to >>>>> utilising >>>>> police brutality and violence to avoid proper negotiations and giving >>>>> workers >>>>> what they rightfully demand, in their cause to emancipate themselves >>>>> from >>>>> perpetual exploitation and harsh working conditions. When police shoot >>>>> randomly >>>>> and go on a rampage against workers, there is little reprimanding as >>>>> such >>>>> maliciousness is viewed by the likes of the DA as the restoration of >>>>> Law >>>>> and >>>>> order. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The DA should perhaps consider >>>>> mobilising its elite constituency which mainly consists predominantly >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> culprits that refuse to meet worker demands, to abolish Labour broking, >>>>> give >>>>> workers a decent living wage and probably leave their well-furnished, >>>>> air-conditioned >>>>> offices to see some of the harsh conditions they subject workers to. >>>>> >>>>> As the YCLSA we are well aware >>>>> that it’s the inherent nature and character of the DA to take such >>>>> distorted >>>>> and antagonistic postures when it comes to worker issues. We advise >>>>> that >>>>> the DA >>>>> starts a process of conscientizing its members about worker struggles >>>>> in >>>>> our >>>>> country and propose progressive amendments which will expose Employers >>>>> of >>>>> this >>>>> country and hold them accountable for exploitation and further more >>>>> join >>>>> us >>>>> in >>>>> the call to Ban Labour brokers within the very same LRA they want to >>>>> amend. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Unions are a dire necessity given >>>>> the state of our private and public sector. Despite progressive laws in >>>>> place >>>>> within the LRA, employers continue to find ways to deviate from them >>>>> and >>>>> this >>>>> creates the patterns of resistance and ultimately workers taking to the >>>>> streets >>>>> to fight these socio-economic injustices. The proposed >>>>> amendment by the DA is another way to suppress and undermine workers >>>>> rights >>>>> to >>>>> strike, as the YCLSA we call for the proposal to be shelved as it has >>>>> no >>>>> place >>>>> in our democracy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Issued by the YCLSA Head office >>>>> >>>>> Contact >>>>> >>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>> >>>>> National spokesperson >>>>> >>>>> 076 783 1516 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>>> >>>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>>>> to >>>>> this message. >>>>> >>>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>>> >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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