Cde Gina a way has been paved for u by Cde Gugu,lay the carpet.Regards Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
-----Original Message----- From: Luzuko Buku <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:33:56 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES Eish Khaye I concure, I am excited by these exchanges from comrade Gina and Gugu, very interesting staff. They must tell us indeed "The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) ________________________________ From: khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES Hey you two!! Its like there is a ncwaaah story behind a story of your fighting a reconciliation here. Tell us? (Lighter note) Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:23:18 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES u welcome!! On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Ngiyabonga > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Gugu Ndima > Sent: 06/10/2010 9:04:18 pm > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED > AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES > > Comrade Sabelo, I was merely cautioning that we remain objective when we > engage > > No I could never hold a grugde for a fellow comrade leader..Kudlulile!! > > Regards > > Gugu > > On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Gugu, what have i done now? Are you telling me about a grudge that you >> have? >> My apologies if your read emotions in the words I wrote. Comradely, Cedric >> >> Sent from my Nokia phone >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gugu Ndima >> Sent: 06/10/2010 5:07:42 pm >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> Cadre Sabelo, we must equally appreciate criticism and be able to bring >> sober clarity to fellow comrades so they understand the our stance >> >> I remember not so long you had accused me of being a Molefe when I humbly >> made an attempt to correct some of the deviations which were taking place >> in >> the forum. As a senior leader I think its best that you make Cde. Thabang >> understand the current contradictions and our role as the vanguard. We >> should minimise being emotional so as to avoid clouding core issues >> >> I do not recall at any stage Thabang where the YCL and SACP misled the >> working class particularly when it relates to the state apparatus and >> machinery used at times to oppress the working class, or hinder with their >> right to demand for better employment conditions. >> >> Infact the YCL has been very vocal about police brutality, lack of service >> delivery and our branches have been very visible in the very same service >> delivery protests. When the Police commissioner boldly took to the streets >> to pronounce on shoot to kill, we were very clear on our stance to a point >> where the Minister himself requested that we meet on this issue...we have >> never back-tracked or been apologetic on advocating for the working class >> and the poor. >> >> The YCLSA made submissions together with Unions on the Banning of Labour >> brokers and we continue to to work on the ground with young workers who >> are >> subjected to such injustices. >> >> Ours is not to parade our victories and calls for change in society. There >> are a number of campaigns which now find resonance with other political >> formations and the government, where the SACP and the YCL were the >> champions. But there is no intellectual property of the revolution and >> ours >> is only to advance it. We are not in the Olympics nor are we contesting >> anyone. Ours is to boldly fight Capitalism and the >> socio-economic disparates it continues to perpetuate in our society. >> >> Let us also take note of the fact that the are members of the ANC who >> members of the SACP as much as we are all members of the PYA. we should >> not >> at any stage be apologetic about being members in all Alliance components. >> Lets also keep in mind that the ANC is broader church, contested by >> various >> class components. This will emanate even within the State. the State still >> remains untransformed and that continues to be a challenge particularly >> for >> the working class and the poor. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Cde. Gugu >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, [email protected] >> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> Thabang, i am sure you were angry when you wrote your input. Elders have >>> cautined me not to write when i am angry and i took their advice. I would >>> suggest that you do the same. It is not good to generalise when >>> discussing >>> important matters of the national democratic revolution. Comradely, >>> Sabelo >>> >>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Thabang Ngcozela >>> Sent: 05/10/2010 6:01:01 pm >>> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> maybe it is important to indicate as well that the anc as the party in >>> charge of the state machinery is the employer that also promotes >>> anti-worker >>> policies and working conditions that inflicts the same injustices the da >>> advances. it is hypocritical for the yclsa to pretend that the da is the >>> only party that advances these injustices because the anc does exacle the >>> same. For how long will the sacp and yclsa will they continue to be >>> apologetic for the anc and mislead the working class to believe that >>> there >>> are fundemental difference between the da and anc. They all stand for >>> capitalism, which is the natural enemy of the working class. >>> >>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:59:04 +0200 >>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT >>> OF >>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> >>> 5 OCTOBER 2010 >>> >>> >>> The Young Communist League of >>> South Africa (uFasimba) is appalled but not shocked by the ignorance >>> demonstrated by the DA in their proposal to parliament to amend the >>> Labour >>> Relations Act. The proposed amendments are to ensure that Unions who >>> embark >>> on >>> a strike will be held liable for any property damaged during strikes. The >>> amendment >>> further demands that Unions put in place measures to prevent violence, >>> injury and >>> damage to property; this insinuates that all property damaged and >>> violence >>> during strikes is caused by workers. >>> >>> >>> These proposals unfortunately >>> expose the ignorance and blatant misconception of what a strike is >>> according to >>> the DA and equally the objectives of a strike. A strike unfortunately is >>> not a >>> spontaneous event which is a result of a caucus of a few individuals who >>> have >>> nothing better to do with their time. A strike culminates from a >>> strenuous >>> exercise >>> of negotiations and bargaining with stakeholders involved. It is a last >>> resort >>> which Unions only embark on when deemed necessary. Further to that, no >>> Union >>> has ever encouraged violence and hooliganism whenever unions take to the >>> streets. >>> >>> >>> The violence that DA’s supposedly >>> sees is as a result of the intransigent attitude demonstrated by >>> Employers >>> or >>> Management who undermine the right of workers to strike and resort to >>> utilising >>> police brutality and violence to avoid proper negotiations and giving >>> workers >>> what they rightfully demand, in their cause to emancipate themselves from >>> perpetual exploitation and harsh working conditions. When police shoot >>> randomly >>> and go on a rampage against workers, there is little reprimanding as such >>> maliciousness is viewed by the likes of the DA as the restoration of Law >>> and >>> order. >>> >>> >>> The DA should perhaps consider >>> mobilising its elite constituency which mainly consists predominantly of >>> the >>> culprits that refuse to meet worker demands, to abolish Labour broking, >>> give >>> workers a decent living wage and probably leave their well-furnished, >>> air-conditioned >>> offices to see some of the harsh conditions they subject workers to. >>> >>> As the YCLSA we are well aware >>> that it’s the inherent nature and character of the DA to take such >>> distorted >>> and antagonistic postures when it comes to worker issues. We advise that >>> the DA >>> starts a process of conscientizing its members about worker struggles in >>> our >>> country and propose progressive amendments which will expose Employers of >>> this >>> country and hold them accountable for exploitation and further more join >>> us >>> in >>> the call to Ban Labour brokers within the very same LRA they want to >>> amend. >>> >>> >>> Unions are a dire necessity given >>> the state of our private and public sector. Despite progressive laws in >>> place >>> within the LRA, employers continue to find ways to deviate from them and >>> this >>> creates the patterns of resistance and ultimately workers taking to the >>> streets >>> to fight these socio-economic injustices. The proposed >>> amendment by the DA is another way to suppress and undermine workers >>> rights >>> to >>> strike, as the YCLSA we call for the proposal to be shelved as it has no >>> place >>> in our democracy. >>> >>> >>> Issued by the YCLSA Head office >>> >>> Contact >>> >>> Gugu Ndima >>> >>> National spokesperson >>> >>> 076 783 1516 >>> >>> -- >>> Gugu Ndima >>> +27 76 783 1516 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gugu Ndima >>> +27 76 783 1516 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >>> this message. >>> >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected]. >>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >>> put anything in the message part. 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