Dominic, if I understood you, revolution is, in effect, circulating within the ANC. Am I following you?
Siyabonga, the ANC has been, to use Dominic's words, "ruling" for 17 years already. Has there been a revolution to speak of since then? I am asking this because if Dominic's argument is to be followed, the ANC has had how many revolutions, three? But I could be wrong. If we were to follow your argument, Siyabonga, there has only been one revolution (which was when the ANC replaced the apartheid government.) I follow your argument about how people are still destitute (although we can both note some positives done during the period.) So, should the ANC carry on with the threat of revolting against ITSELF for reasons that it is not managing to "totally liberate" the masses? On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>wrote: > > Mind if I move an amendment? > > Revolution is the replacement of one ruling class by another. > > Asikhulume! > > > > > On 21 November 2011 15:27, Matela Mthwalo <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Fusi, >> >> Revolution is a replacement of one system of governance with another. The >> question is: Should a governing party maintain a revolutionary posture? >> Against which system? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matela >> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Fusi Motaung >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Calvin, interesting piece. You know, at the risk of displaying my >>> ignorance, I would like you to please educate me: What is revolution? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM, calvin Tshamano < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The General Secretary of Nehawu, cde Fikile Majola has consistently >>>> characterised Limpopo as the home of the revolution. The statement alone >>>> can appear confusing and misleading in the light of Limpopo being the >>>> anchor of the tendency and populist demagogue threatening to divert and >>>> derail our revolution. >>>> >>>> I also do not feel the GS statement was informed by the number of >>>> leaders the province has produced, because while we have produced great >>>> leaders like Cde Makgatho who was the president of the ANC, CDE Sparks >>>> Ramagoma, Peter Mokaba,Joe Maswanganyi, and many more, so many more have >>>> been produced elsewhere in the country. >>>> >>>> Im more than convinced that the characterisation was informed by an >>>> observation of the political challenges that the province have faced >>>> previously and how its cadres have risen to defeat such challenges. If you >>>> care to rewind a few years back before Polokwane 2007 at the height of the >>>> 1996 class project, Limpopo was not left out in this challenges. Very >>>> progressive comrades were sidelined and dealt with just because they did >>>> not agree on the path that the ANC was being taken to. State resources were >>>> used to manipulate normal ANC processes ( e.g. conferences ) You will >>>> remember how cde Sparks was dealt with and cde Joe Maswanganyi was not >>>> spared the attack. >>>> >>>> We however also observed how the structures of the ANC revolted against >>>> the class project until its demise in Polokwane and Univen conferences. >>>> >>>> So, in the light of the populist demagogue which has captured both the >>>> Limpopo government and the ANC, we are assured that we have culpable cadres >>>> in this province who can wage a strong defence of the ANC. It is now that >>>> the province must rise to expectation through structures of the ANC begin >>>> to lay a foundation for a national defence of the ANC. Im very sure that >>>> other provinces are waiting to see how Limpopo will deliver itselft from >>>> the clutches of anarchist and narrow accumulative populist demagogue. >>>> >>>> We owe it to Sparks Ramagoma to ensure that Limpopo should not fell on >>>> wrong hands.....and yes ....If the GS comes in Limpopo sometime next >>>> year....he must with pride still say: Limpopo is the home of the >>>> revolution. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Anti populist demagogue cadre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>>> to this message. >>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>> [email protected] . You don't have to put >>>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the >>>> message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address >>>> (repeat): [email protected] . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Fusi M. Motaung >>> Development & Process Facilitator >>> MOROLO CONSULTANT >>> tel: 0721207603 | fax: 0865482896 | e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>> to this message. >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>> options, pages, files and membership. >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>> [email protected] . You don't have to put >>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the >>> message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address >>> (repeat): [email protected] . >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Matela Mthwalo >> >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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