The ANC is not a class.
VC On 21 November 2011 16:06, Fusi Motaung <[email protected]> wrote: > Dominic, if I understood you, revolution is, in effect, circulating within > the ANC. Am I following you? > > Siyabonga, the ANC has been, to use Dominic's words, "ruling" for 17 years > already. Has there been a revolution to speak of since then? I am asking > this because if Dominic's argument is to be followed, the ANC has had how > many revolutions, three? But I could be wrong. > If we were to follow your argument, Siyabonga, there has only been one > revolution (which was when the ANC replaced the apartheid government.) I > follow your argument about how people are still destitute (although we can > both note some positives done during the period.) So, should the ANC carry > on with the threat of revolting against ITSELF for reasons that it is not > managing to "totally liberate" the masses? > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Dominic Tweedie < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Mind if I move an amendment? >> >> Revolution is the replacement of one ruling class by another. >> >> Asikhulume! >> >> >> >> >> On 21 November 2011 15:27, Matela Mthwalo <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Fusi, >>> >>> Revolution is a replacement of one system of governance with another. >>> The question is: Should a governing party maintain a revolutionary posture? >>> Against which system? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matela >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Fusi Motaung >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Calvin, interesting piece. You know, at the risk of displaying my >>>> ignorance, I would like you to please educate me: What is revolution? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:11 PM, calvin Tshamano < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The General Secretary of Nehawu, cde Fikile Majola has consistently >>>>> characterised Limpopo as the home of the revolution. The statement alone >>>>> can appear confusing and misleading in the light of Limpopo being the >>>>> anchor of the tendency and populist demagogue threatening to divert and >>>>> derail our revolution. >>>>> >>>>> I also do not feel the GS statement was informed by the number of >>>>> leaders the province has produced, because while we have produced great >>>>> leaders like Cde Makgatho who was the president of the ANC, CDE Sparks >>>>> Ramagoma, Peter Mokaba,Joe Maswanganyi, and many more, so many more have >>>>> been produced elsewhere in the country. >>>>> >>>>> Im more than convinced that the characterisation was informed by an >>>>> observation of the political challenges that the province have faced >>>>> previously and how its cadres have risen to defeat such challenges. If you >>>>> care to rewind a few years back before Polokwane 2007 at the height of the >>>>> 1996 class project, Limpopo was not left out in this challenges. Very >>>>> progressive comrades were sidelined and dealt with just because they did >>>>> not agree on the path that the ANC was being taken to. State resources >>>>> were >>>>> used to manipulate normal ANC processes ( e.g. conferences ) You will >>>>> remember how cde Sparks was dealt with and cde Joe Maswanganyi was not >>>>> spared the attack. >>>>> >>>>> We however also observed how the structures of the ANC revolted >>>>> against the class project until its demise in Polokwane and Univen >>>>> conferences. >>>>> >>>>> So, in the light of the populist demagogue which has captured both the >>>>> Limpopo government and the ANC, we are assured that we have culpable >>>>> cadres >>>>> in this province who can wage a strong defence of the ANC. It is now that >>>>> the province must rise to expectation through structures of the ANC begin >>>>> to lay a foundation for a national defence of the ANC. Im very sure that >>>>> other provinces are waiting to see how Limpopo will deliver itselft from >>>>> the clutches of anarchist and narrow accumulative populist demagogue. >>>>> >>>>> We owe it to Sparks Ramagoma to ensure that Limpopo should not fell on >>>>> wrong hands.....and yes ....If the GS comes in Limpopo sometime next >>>>> year....he must with pride still say: Limpopo is the home of the >>>>> revolution. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> Anti populist demagogue cadre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or >>>>> reply to this message. >>>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>>> [email protected] . You don't have to put >>>>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the >>>>> message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address >>>>> (repeat): [email protected] . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Fusi M. Motaung >>>> Development & Process Facilitator >>>> MOROLO CONSULTANT >>>> tel: 0721207603 | fax: 0865482896 | e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply >>>> to this message. >>>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>> [email protected] . You don't have to put >>>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the >>>> message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address >>>> (repeat): [email protected] . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matela Mthwalo >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You are subscribed. 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