Re: [Zen] visualization

[Kristy McClain]

Bill,
 
ROFL.. talk about tough love~ k

--- On Thu, 2/10/11, Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:


From: Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 6:18 PM


  



Kristy,

A good example of a zen style pain-managment would be the scene in FIGHT CLUB 
where Brad Pitt pours lye on Ed Norton's hand and then guides him gently 
through some what I call zen-style pain managment.

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote:
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> Anthony,
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> So zen is anything  not dualistic. I'm not a zen scholar, and the way I 
> practice zen includes compassionate service, and ethical conduct. So, 
> technically, my zen practice  is not authentic zen.
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> Oh well.
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> I first learned about visualization froma book  called "Creative 
> Visualization" , from the 70's era.  In recent years, there have been many 
> healing  therapies that use it.  "The violet flame", for example. I am 
> learning as I go along  how incredible powerful the mind really is. 
> Sometimes visualization is called the placebo-effect.  Here's an example.  
> In a meta-analysis on studies on depression, it has been demonstrated that 
> use of anti-depressants for mild -to moderate  depression  , is no more 
> effective, than if  given a placebo. If you believe it works-- it can.  
> (Meta-analaysis is a study of studies).
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> Here's another..
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> In my  pain management class with "seniors" ;), I will arrive the first day 
> with a surfboard and related equipment. When I introduce myself, I 
> will welcome everyone, and tell them how excited I am they are interested 
> in  learning how to surf!  I'll go on for a few minutes about the number of 
> years I've been doing it, and boy-- are they gonna love it!
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> As they look at me as if I've lost my mind, we will  laugh a bit, and in 
> effect--it creates a paradigm shift.  If I believe they can do it, ( and I 
> do), they will too--in time. First, I  will take them into a relaxation 
> visualization with their breath.  Its the first step in a process.
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> In Santa Barbara, it will probably be roller-blades, or hiking gear.  In 
> Utah, with cardiac patients, it will be a pair of skis, wax, and files, as if 
> I were leading a "Tune Your Own Skis" class.
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> Isn't it possible to begin with two halves and unify them into one? So, maybe 
> beginning with dualism isn't so bad?  To me-- all of this  is zen. I don't 
> have to define its boundaries in that way.
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> My  two cents.. *s*  k
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>  On Thu, 2/10/11, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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> From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] visualization
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2011, 2:44 PM
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> Brett,
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> I did for about a year and gave up. That, no doubt, can be a good practice. 
> But it is not zen.
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> Anthony
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> --- On Fri, 11/2/11, artist <brettalancorbin@...> wrote:
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> From: artist <brettalancorbin@...>
> Subject: [Zen] visualization
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 5:01 AM
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> I was just wondering if anyone here uses any visualization practises in their 
> meditation.
> Brett.
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