Mayka,

I agree with what your instructor taught.  Your experiences are not based on 
faith.  ...Bill! 

--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
>
> Bill;
>  
>   Instructor kept pointing out over and over that Buddhism was not a set of 
> beliefs but something to be experienced first in one and then believe.  We 
> were also told never talk about anything that we didn't first experience in 
> us. That Buddhism was not a religion of faith but something based in living 
> experience. 
>  
> This was the statement from the Buddha I recall to be told:
> "Do not believe in anything I say, first experience it and once you 
> experience it, then believe". 
>  
> Mayka
> 
> --- On Mon, 28/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 10:29
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> Mayka,
> 
> As a very broad statement I consider any structured set of beliefs based on 
> faith as a religion.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve;
> >  
> > I'm under the impresion that buddhism in some Countries is regarded as a 
> > religion and the way it's follow is as Buddha kind of "God" and other 
> > Contries is more a way of living.  It may be depending upo different 
> > schools and traditions Buddhism come from.  I was educated to see 
> > buddhism as non religion.  In fact our instructor used to tell us never 
> > try to convert anyone into buddhism as it wasn't a religion but a way to 
> > freely choose to live or not.  We were also instructed to only talk 
> > about the dharma if someone asked a question or that person was 
> > interested.  
> >  
> > It will be interesting to know what you, Bill and others consider a 
> > religion.
> >  
> > Mayka
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@>
> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 5:15
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > JMJM,
> > > 
> > > In my opinion:
> > > 
> > > US PERCEPTIONS
> > > - Buddhism is considered a religion - albeit a quirky one.
> > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism.
> > > 
> > > WORLD PERCEPTION
> > > - Buddhism is considered a religion.
> > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism - albeit a quiky one.
> > > 
> > > ...Bill!
> > > 
> > > Hi Bill! Oh, Buddhism itself can be properly regarded as a philosophy 
> > > rather than a religion. There is an interesting book by Stephen Batchelor 
> > > entitled Buddhism Without Beliefs. Mr. Batchelor received Dharma 
> > > transmission, if I am not mistaken, in the Korean form of Zen.
> > Steve
> >
>




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