Mayka, If you had that faith you would be practicing zen religiously. There's nothing wrong with faith and religion. I never said there was.
I do say that the essense of zen is not faith-based and its practice is not a relgion...Bill! --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: > > Bill; >  > ...And yet I wish I  had more faith in the practice of zazen at each > moment daily  activities after having experienced the stability and well > being it brings to ones life.  >  > To All: >  > I paste here a couple of links in with the term of religion description > given. I never thought before in how many different ways this word is used. >  >  > Different meanings of religion according to wiki: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=religion+meaning&fulltext=1 > > Religion > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion >  > Mayka >  >  > > > --- On Tue, 29/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion? > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 10:18 > > >  > > > > M > ayka, > > I agree with what your instructor taught. Your experiences are not based on > faith. ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > Bill; > > à> > àInstructor kept pointing out over and over that Buddhism was not a set > > of beliefs but something to beàexperienced first in oneàand then > > believe.àWe were alsoàtoldànever talk about anything that we > > didn't first experience in us. That Buddhism was not a religion of faith > > but something based in living experience.à> > à> > This was the statement from the Buddha I recall to be told: > > "Do not believe in anything I say, first experience it and once you > > experience it, then believe".à> > à> > Mayka > > > > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 10:29 > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > Mayka, > > > > As a very broad statement I consider any structured set of beliefs based on > > faith as a religion. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > > Steve; > > > Ãâà> > > I'm under the impresion that buddhism in some Countries is regarded as a > > > religion and the way it's follow is as Buddha kind of "God" and other > > > Contries is more a way of living.ÃâàIt may be depending upo > > > different schools and traditions Buddhism come from.ÃâàI was > > > educated to see buddhism as non religion.ÃâàIn fact our instructor > > > used to tell us never try to convert anyone into buddhism as it wasn't a > > > religion but a way to freely choose to live or not.ÃâàWe were also > > > instructed to only talk about the dharma if someone asked a question or > > > that person was interested.Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > It will be interesting to know what you, Bill and others consider a > > > religion. > > > Ãâà> > > Mayka > > > > > > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@> > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion? > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 5:15 > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JMJM, > > > > > > > > In my opinion: > > > > > > > > US PERCEPTIONS > > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion - albeit a quirky one. > > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism. > > > > > > > > WORLD PERCEPTION > > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion. > > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism - albeit a quiky one. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > Hi Bill! Oh, Buddhism itself can be properly regarded as a philosophy > > > > rather than a religion. There is an interesting book by Stephen > > > > Batchelor entitled Buddhism Without Beliefs. Mr. Batchelor received > > > > Dharma transmission, if I am not mistaken, in the Korean form of Zen. > > > Steve > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
