Mayka,

If you had that faith you would be practicing zen religiously.  There's nothing 
wrong with faith and religion.  I never said there was.

I do say that the essense of zen is not faith-based and its practice is not a 
relgion...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote:
>
> Bill;
>  
> ...And yet I wish I  had more faith in the practice of zazen at each 
> moment daily  activities after having experienced the stability and well 
> being it brings to ones life.  
>  
> To All:
>  
> I paste here a couple of links in with the term of religion description 
> given.  I never thought before in how many different ways this word is used. 
>  
>  
> Different meanings of religion according to wiki:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=religion+meaning&fulltext=1
> 
> Religion
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
>  
> Mayka
>  
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 29/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, 29 March, 2011, 10:18
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> M
> ayka,
> 
> I agree with what your instructor taught. Your experiences are not based on 
> faith. ...Bill! 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill;
> >  
> >   Instructor kept pointing out over and over that Buddhism was not a set 
> > of beliefs but something to be experienced first in one and then 
> > believe.  We were also told never talk about anything that we 
> > didn't first experience in us. That Buddhism was not a religion of faith 
> > but something based in living experience. 
> >  
> > This was the statement from the Buddha I recall to be told:
> > "Do not believe in anything I say, first experience it and once you 
> > experience it, then believe". 
> >  
> > Mayka
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 10:29
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Mayka,
> > 
> > As a very broad statement I consider any structured set of beliefs based on 
> > faith as a religion.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve;
> > >  
> > > I'm under the impresion that buddhism in some Countries is regarded as a 
> > > religion and the way it's follow is as Buddha kind of "God" and other 
> > > Contries is more a way of living.  It may be depending upo 
> > > different schools and traditions Buddhism come from.  I was 
> > > educated to see buddhism as non religion.  In fact our instructor 
> > > used to tell us never try to convert anyone into buddhism as it wasn't a 
> > > religion but a way to freely choose to live or not.  We were also 
> > > instructed to only talk about the dharma if someone asked a question or 
> > > that person was interested.  
> > >  
> > > It will be interesting to know what you, Bill and others consider a 
> > > religion.
> > >  
> > > Mayka
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 28/3/11, SteveW <eugnostos2000@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: SteveW <eugnostos2000@>
> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 5:15
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > JMJM,
> > > > 
> > > > In my opinion:
> > > > 
> > > > US PERCEPTIONS
> > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion - albeit a quirky one.
> > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism.
> > > > 
> > > > WORLD PERCEPTION
> > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion.
> > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism - albeit a quiky one.
> > > > 
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Bill! Oh, Buddhism itself can be properly regarded as a philosophy 
> > > > rather than a religion. There is an interesting book by Stephen 
> > > > Batchelor entitled Buddhism Without Beliefs. Mr. Batchelor received 
> > > > Dharma transmission, if I am not mistaken, in the Korean form of Zen.
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
>




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