Steve,
 
You are smart enough to cover both 'chance' and 'necessity'. These two also 
include all four:
 
God,
Fate,
Chance, and
Chaos.
 
Nobody can argue with you.
 
The question remains whether 'chance' has some 'necessity' elements, like in 
the case of Heisenburg Uncertainty Prinicple. From the uncertain location and 
velocity, it leads to the certainty of probability and all the way to quantum 
mechanics.
 
Anthony

--- On Sun, 3/4/11, SteveW <[email protected]> wrote:


From: SteveW <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better a Roulette
To: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, 3 April, 2011, 12:21 PM


  





--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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> Steve,
>  
> I ask you which one of the four you support.
>  
> '1' was missing. I put it back.
>  
> Anthony
> 
Hi Anthony. In my opinion, reality is a mixture of chance and necessity. Any 
account of reality must take into account uncertainty and non-locality. These 
two facts have been scientifically established beyond a reasonable doubt, imo. 
This is why I don't endorse Advaita Vedanta. Advaita Vedanta asserts that the 
world is an unreal appearance superimposed upon the face of static Being. 
Advaita Vedanta believes in strict determinism. If you read Be As You Are by 
Ramana Maharshi's student David Godman you will see that Maharshi believed that 
all phenomena are strictly determined. Modern physics has proven him wrong. For 
a while, some hoped that David Bohm's deterministic hidden variables model 
might prove to be true, but few now accept it. As the physicist Paul Davies 
comments in his book The Mind of God, the new physics has driven the final nail 
in the coffin of strict determinism. 
Some shit just happens, for no reason that can be given. You know, Zen people 
don't actually give a philosophical explanation for existence, but the Non-Dual 
Hindu traditions do. IMO, in comparing Advaita Vedanta with Kashmir Shaivism, 
Kashmir Shaivism is actually more in accord with the facts. 
Steve
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