--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
> 
> I'm not so sure that science has proven false the idea that all phenomena are 
> strictly determined. I think the jury is still out on that one. It's true 
> that 
> what happens in the micro, quantum world is random and unpredictable, but not 
> so 
> in the macro-universe. Determinism seems to play a major role in life. Take a 
> look at environmental determinism. The cultural life of mountain people, 
> being 
> shaped by the mountains, is different from the culture of fishing villages, 
> being shaped by close proximity to the sea. Culture itself plays a key role 
> in 
> determining the social and psychological life of an individual. Likewise, 
> being 
> 6ft 2 and 200lbs it is highly unlikely I'll ever be a horse jockey. Also, 
> isn't 
> it one of the core tenents of Zen/emptiness that there is no object or 
> phenomena 
> that is self-created and independent - everything is 
> interdependent? Speaking 
> for myself, I have no fixed position on these questions. I do believe, 
> however, 
> there is a difference in determinism and self-determinism (as opposed to 
> predestination) and we do make choices (freewill) that can influence the 
> future.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> Hi Mike. Although science is always provisional, the weight of actual 
> experimental evidence is against hard determinism. This is why Einstein, who 
> was a determinist, hated Quantum Mechanics. But Einstein was proven wrong by 
> the Aspect experiment, which has been verified numerous times since then. The 
> idea that quantum indeterminacy does not affect macro events has been 
> increasingly discredited by recent experiments.I have a particular interest 
> in the philosophical implications of Quantum Mechanics and have studied the 
> matter for several decades. Here are two links to articles that may be of 
> interest. They are brief and aimed at the layman. 
Steve
http://pjmazumdar.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/randomness-vs-determinism/

http://pjmazumdar.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/randomness-vs-determinism-part2/
>





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