JM, Ah, I got it. The orgyhouse is not an orgyhouse, just named orgyhouse. Your teacher takes the same approach as Gotama did. That is 'ehipassiko'. You can 'come and see' the path by experiencing it. However, before people started to follow the path, Gotama made a lot of explanations to shed some light of what could be expected. On the other hand, historical zen masters in China kept pointing to the moon, so that you can aspire to go to the moon. I hope you will improve, if I can call it that way. Anthony
--- On Fri, 22/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Heart To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 22 April, 2011, 10:33 AM Hi Anthony, Thank you for your continual interest in "heart" and its various meaning and interpretations. My teacher would answer your question the following way-- "It is for me to say and for you to experience." Diamond Sutra would say, "The heart is not heart just named heart." Buddha practice first then described his journey. I am here merely described my journey of my practice. My description itself has no value whatsoever. They are just words. I am sorry if I have confused you. Please forgive me. JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/21/2011 3:44 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: JM, Are you analyzing and intellectualizing? Don't worry. I am not criticizing you. Gotama himself did a lot of that. How can I criticize the Buddha? In this human world, we cannot avoid it. The reason I keep asking you about 'heart' is that I am trying to figure out what your 'Heart Chan' is all about. You say, 'Throughout this journey, there is no need for the mind to appear. ' What do you mean by 'mind'? The fact that there is no Chinese word for 'mind' gives rise to misunderstanding. Since 2 thousand years ago, 'xin' has been used to translate both heart and mind. But in English they are differeent things. Lets look into your favorite book Diamond Sutra: "We should develop a mind that does not abide in anything" The words caused Huineng to have his first insight. Now if I say, "we should not develop a heart that does not abide in anything." Bill's stick is waiting for me, because he thinks I am going to be cool hearted and cruel. Anthony --- On Fri, 22/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Heart To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 22 April, 2011, 1:19 AM Hi Maria, It seems that you are now the only one mentioning "heart". Please let me support by making a few statements for those "heart-less" sentient beings in the forum. hahaha. :-) just having some fun. Heart in our school carries two meanings. It is a label indicating a location in the middle of our chest to let our Self Nature unfold or to reach Kensho. It is where we will be in sync with the Nature of the Universe(satori). Heart in our school also means the essence of all phenomena visible and invisible. Hence the heart(the spirit or essence) within us is not difference from the heart of the universe.(the spirit or essence). They are one of the same. Therefore we call our "Heart Chan Practice" a pure spiritual practice. Heart carries no memory, no knowledge nor does it analyze. Heart is pure chi, compassion and wisdom. Hence, heart makes no judgment and accept all phenomena as is. Heart is the direct connection to every moment. Heart could not function if otherwise. Heart is our Grand Central station as per Daniel. As we integrate all chakras in our body into one, all chi channels into one. Our entire being integrates one. We become one heart or one spirit or one essence. (Actually it is rather abstract. Sorry.) Then we are able to sync with the heart of the universe. It is a gradual process and increases in frequency. Then suddenly our "heart", or "essence of our being" is completely in sync from the location of our heart to the "essence of the universe". Throughout this journey, there is no need for the mind to appear. There is no need for thinking, understanding, debating, arguing. Just sit, as always emphasized by Bill. Just sense and feel with the "heart". More often than not, once that occurs, the first reaction is usually tears. We call that, "you found home." :-) JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/21/2011 8:01 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: Correction: Oops, I clicked the wrong word over the spellcheker in previous post. I meant: "No one can steal the heart as we all have it in us. We can only be awakened in the heart". Mayka
