Mike, Thanks for your clarifications and added info...Bill!
--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > >There is nothing 'wrong' with living with the illusion of self and > having attachments. > > There's nothing morally wrong with that illusion, but it's wrong in the sense > that it is an incorrect interpretation of reality. > >  >Buddhism 101 teaches that attachments are the cause > of sufferring. > > Not just that there are attachments per se, but not seeing thru those > attachments. > > > 'Happiness' is a dualistic concept. If you create > 'happiness' then you also create 'sadness' or sufferring. > > True, but again this is not the whole story. The more we drop the > 'defilements' of craving, aversion, bad conduct etc. the more the mind is > freed to show its inherent purity. It's not wrong to say that Happiness (as > do Equanimity, Bliss, Compassion etc.) arises when this eventuates (as > opposed to the dualistic 'happiness' of, say, buying a new car). > > >If you're okay with that then you have no strong incentive to take up > zen. Zen (lower-case 'z') does not prosletize. Buddhism and Zen > Buddhism might, but zen does not. > > People prosletize. Zen Buddhism, arising out of Buddhism, takes what the > Buddha said seriously: "Don't just believe and follow what I say, but find > out the truth of what I say for yourselves." > > Mike > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 10:25 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Sai Baba > > >  > ED, > > There is nothing 'wrong' with living with the illusion of self and having > attachments. Buddhism 101 teaches that attachments are the cause of > sufferring. 'Happiness' is a dualistic concept. If you create 'happiness' > then you also create 'sadness' or sufferring. > > If you're okay with that then you have no strong incentive to take up zen. > Zen (lower-case 'z') does not prosletize. Buddhism and Zen Buddhism might, > but zen does not. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Within limits, what's the problem with having attachments which make one > > happy. All non-human living entities and 99.9 percent of humans are > > under the illusion of self. > > > > So what? > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > 'Gratifying the self' is another phrase for 'having attachments'. It > > also implies the person is still under the illusion of 'self'. > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
