Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone
On May 22, 2011, at 9:42, "empty0grace" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would say based on both my experience and the teachings that I have > observed, that amorality is very close to immorality in that without the > clear presence of moral rectitude there is nothing to prevent immoral I have to disagree. Moral rectitude untrammeled by thought is just catching some falling ice cream scoop in the air before it hits the floor or seeing the couch and not stubbing the toes this time, or sharing the last cigarette or what ever the moment demands. Seeing some 'other' person and not noticing the 'other' but the unity that holds both seer and seen. Moral rectitude that thinks it is moral often is terribly screwed up for the 'recipients.' trying to force the mind into not creating negative thoughts often creates a worse back lash; far better to allow what ever thoughts arise to just be themselves. > The natural condition of the mind is immoral: greed, hatred and delusion are > our birthright as human beings, not Buddha nature, which really does sound > like a religious assertion to me. Zen in my experience often claims that the natural state of the mind is a clear open container, which we muddy diligently with believing our thoughts and being unwilling to set aside our desire for reality to be other than it is. > What you see, is what you get, and what we see when we look inside is greed, > hatred and delusion (unless you cultivated the eightfold path). I doubt any human has looked inside and found all bad thoughts. ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
