Bill, How can zen be the foundation of religions that demand blind faith in monodeity? Anthony
--- On Mon, 18/7/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 18 July, 2011, 9:40 AM ED, DT Suzuki certainly is expressing below the results of a lot of discursive thinking. I don't agree with all of the details of his quote below, but I do agree with his central point - zen is the foundation of all. I consider DT Suzuki primarily a Buddhist scholar. Although he did study Zen Buddhism he never received 'inca' (permission to teach) as a dharma successor of any Zen master - that I know of. His books do address Buddhism and Zen Buddhism from a intellectual, scholarly perspective so this quote doesn't surprise me. He is not someone that I would look to or recommend as a great communicator of zen. Buddhsim and maybe Zen Buddhism - yes; but just plain old zen - no. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi zendervish, Bill and All, > > DT Suzuki appears to be indulging in a lot of un-zenlike discursive > thinking, no? > > --ED > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > Greetings > > This little tidbit of Buddhist Modernism throws a loop around the > experience of > the integral source that Sufism likewise expresses. > > Zen is the ultimate fact of all philosophy and religion. Every > intellectual > effort must culminate in it, or rather must start from it, if it is to > bear any > practical fruits. Every religious faith must spring from it if it has to > prove > at all efficiently and livingly workable in our active life. Therefore > Zen is > not necessarily the fountain of Buddhist thought and life alone; it is > very much > alive also in Christianity, Mohammedanism, in Taoism, and even > positivistic > Confucianism. What makes all these religions and philosophies vital and > inspiring, keeping up their usefulness and efficiency, is due to the > presence in > them of what I may designate as the Zen element. > > DT Suzuki > > zendervish >
