Anthony, For example...
I believe Jesus experienced Original Mind (Buddha Mind) and described it has the 'Kingdom of Heaven'. His teachings describe this quite well in many places, but he did use the Jewish religious venacular of his time to express it. Christianity as a religion was something that was built on top of Jesus' experience and teachings. That's the religious shell that encapsulates His core teachings. I believe it's the same with Siddartha and Buddhism. The core is zen, and Buddhism is all the exteraneous stuff that was later added on by his followers. Jesus may have used the concept of monotheism to teach his experience of Oneness - just as Siddartha is supposed to have stated 'In Heaven above and Earth below, I alone am worthy of honor'. I'm sure Siddartha didn't mean he, Siddartha, was the only person worth of honor. He meant (IMO) that Original Mind (Buddha Mind) is the honored One. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, > Â > How can zen be the foundation of religions that demand blind faith in > monodeity? > Â > Anthony > > --- On Mon, 18/7/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, 18 July, 2011, 9:40 AM > > > Â > > > > ED, > > DT Suzuki certainly is expressing below the results of a lot of discursive > thinking. > > I don't agree with all of the details of his quote below, but I do agree with > his central point - zen is the foundation of all. > > I consider DT Suzuki primarily a Buddhist scholar. Although he did study Zen > Buddhism he never received 'inca' (permission to teach) as a dharma successor > of any Zen master - that I know of. His books do address Buddhism and Zen > Buddhism from a intellectual, scholarly perspective so this quote doesn't > surprise me. > > He is not someone that I would look to or recommend as a great communicator > of zen. Buddhsim and maybe Zen Buddhism - yes; but just plain old zen - no. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi zendervish, Bill and All, > > > > DT Suzuki appears to be indulging in a lot of un-zenlike discursive > > thinking, no? > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "salik888" <novelidea8@> wrote: > > > > > Greetings > > > > This little tidbit of Buddhist Modernism throws a loop around the > > experience of > > the integral source that Sufism likewise expresses. > > > > Zen is the ultimate fact of all philosophy and religion. Every > > intellectual > > effort must culminate in it, or rather must start from it, if it is to > > bear any > > practical fruits. Every religious faith must spring from it if it has to > > prove > > at all efficiently and livingly workable in our active life. Therefore > > Zen is > > not necessarily the fountain of Buddhist thought and life alone; it is > > very much > > alive also in Christianity, Mohammedanism, in Taoism, and even > > positivistic > > Confucianism. What makes all these religions and philosophies vital and > > inspiring, keeping up their usefulness and efficiency, is due to the > > presence in > > them of what I may designate as the Zen element. > > > > DT Suzuki > > > > zendervish > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
