Anthony, Just for the record, I said that Jesus' teachings and the BASIS for Christianity was IMO zen-related.
I did not say the religion of Christianity as it is practiced today has a lot of elements of zen in it - or if it does they are very well hidden. I can say that about Buddhism also. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Audrey, >  > Everybody has heard Jesus and Buddha speak, in a large variety of ways. If > you go to Rome now, the Inquisition is no longer, you only hear people > shouting that their birthright is to enjoy life with just a little work and a > lot of vacation. Where are the zen elements? Instead of Gospel of Thomas, you > can put Joshu's quotations there. But they are not Christianity. >  > Anthony > > --- On Fri, 22/7/11, audreydc1983 <audreydc1983@...> wrote: > > > From: audreydc1983 <audreydc1983@...> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, 22 July, 2011, 2:17 PM > > >  > > > > > Anthony, > > I suppose you are thousands of years old, and have heard Jesus speak, so you > know exactly what he meant. > > ***I am not in Rome. It is not hundreds of years ago, it is now.*** > > Your view very plainly illustrates the difference between literal and > interpretive reading. > > ~Audrey > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Audrey, > > à> > Jesus is the son of God. From different perspectives you explain, it is > > part of Christianity. However, the Gospel of Thomas that Bill mentions, is > > a Christian renegade. If you went to Rome with that view some hundreds of > > years ago, you would probably face Inquisition. > > à> > Anthony > > > > --- On Wed, 20/7/11, audreydc1983 <audreydc1983@> wrote: > > > > > > From: audreydc1983 <audreydc1983@> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen elements? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, 20 July, 2011, 11:59 PM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > Anthony, > > > > When I was taught that Jesus was the son of God, I did a little logical > > thinking: > > WHAT IF the bible didn't mean that Jesus HIMSELF was literal 'Son of God? > > What if he meant something to the effect of: "I am the son of God, you are > > the son of god, we are all god's children?" To me, this makes much more > > sense. > > > > Sounds pretty inclusive, and not dualistic to me. Although, religions of > > the book have to be interpreted by each reader. It really depends on if one > > decides to interpret the "words of Jesus" literally, or not. It's up to the > > reader. > > > > ~Audrey > > > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > Ãâà> > > Gospel of Thomas is considered heretical in Christianity, so Whether or > > > not you try to prove there are zen elements (it looks that way) does not > > > represent the religion that often quotes Jesus as saying he is the son of > > > God, who must be obeyed without question. That is not zen. > > > Ãâà> > > Regards, > > > Anthony > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
