And the monk was clearly not in a situation where telling a good story or two 
was a gift to the listeners. 

Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone

On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:11, Anthony Wu <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Bill,
>  
> Touching stories.
>  
> Is the monk moral or amoral?
>  
> What urged him to save drowning and choking kids, and a hunted rabbit? Or was 
> that a 'natural act' from Buddha nature?
> What do you think of pedophilic priests in Ireland, who had 'sexual 
> indiscretion' with minors? Is that amoral?
>  
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Wed, 14/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> From: Bill! <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 10:47 AM
> 
> Siska,
> 
> Your point belows mirrors a zen story. I searched for it on the internet but 
> couldn't find a version there. I'll give you a very condensed version of it:
> 
> A zen monk was on a journey between two monestaries. He was travelling alone.
> 
> About an hour into his journey while walking past a lake he heard a women 
> screaming for help. He ran to her where she pointed out her young son 
> thrashing about in the water about 20 yards from shore. "He can't swim! 
> Please help him!", she pleaded. The monk shed his robes, jumped in the water, 
> swam out to the boy and brought him safely back to shore.
> 
> After his robes had dried he continued on his journey. About an hour later he 
> was walking through a small village and smelled smoke. He found the source of 
> the smoke to be coming from the second floor of a storefront. He heard crying 
> coming from the room. He burst into the store, ran up the stairs and found 
> the front room on fire. In the room was a baby crib with a small infant 
> choking on the smoke. He scooped up the infant, carried her back down to the 
> street and returned her safely to her family.
> 
> He had not gone but about an hour more until he came across a frightened 
> rabbit hiding under some bushes. The rabbit was completely exhausted and 
> couldn't even move away when the monk uncovered him. Just then he heard the 
> baying of dogs and saw a group of hunters hurring towards him brandishing 
> their bows and arrows. "We've been chasing a rabbit. Have you seen him?" they 
> inquired. "Yes I have, just a moment ago" answered the monk. "You should 
> continue on down the road as quickly as you can!" After they left the monk 
> picked up the rabbit, tucked it under his robes and continued the opposite 
> way down the road. After some time when the rabbit seemed revived he released 
> it.
> 
> When he finally arrived at the other monestary well after dark he was 
> summoned to the zen master's room. "We were worried about you! Why are you so 
> late? What happened on your journey?" asked the zen master. "Oh, nothing 
> special" replied the monk.
> 
> ...Bill! 
> 
> --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mayka,
> > 
> > I agree there are people who serve 'selflessly' for the benefit of people. 
> > 'Selfless' here is in the sense where the actions are not performed for the 
> > benefit of oneself but others, and nothing is expected in return from 
> > people who receive the kindness. I believe this is what you are saying. And 
> > again, I agree.
> > 
> > On the other hand, unless it is an action of an enlightened person (or in 
> > Zen's words perhaps of Buddha Mind), then there is still 'self' or 'ego' 
> > behind these 'selfless' acts. Most people still do an act of kindness with 
> > a purpose, for example, to see others happy. What happen if others are not 
> > happy? What happen if the conditions of people being helped is not improved?
> > 
> > This is not to say that there is absolutely no one, on this earth, who do 
> > kindness just for the sake of doing it, just like eating when hungry and 
> > sleeping when sleepy, without identifying the kindness as something more 
> > special than the act of eating and sleeping. There may be. I just have not 
> > met any.
> > 
> > Siska
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Maria Lopez
> > Sender: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > ReplyTo: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle
> > Sent: Sep 11, 2011 15:53
> > 
> >   Siska: They may be a tiny minority left in the world but still there are 
> > people who do things for the wellbeing of life and other human fellows for 
> > nothing.  It's empathy what leads this minority to act in that way.  There 
> > also culutres consider as an undevelop that they also do things for the 
> > sake of doing it.   And there is not a catch when they do that.  On the 
> > other side of the spectrum and Living in that "develop" societies that seem 
> > to go crazy in the worst way of destructive madness for all what is simple 
> > and beautiful and giving as a result  selfish self-centered individuals 
> > doesn't mean that everyone is on that boat.  Mayka    --- On Sun, 11/9/11, 
> > siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> wrote: From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> 
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: 
> > [email protected] Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 4:27   Hi 
> > Mayka, > A high percentage of English people met,  they tended to be very 
> > friendly only when they're not in their own land or also when they want 
> > something from you.  Don't we all? Each of us is selfish being. It's only 
> > the extend we apply it in our actions that is a little different. Unless 
> > we're enlightened. Siska From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> Sender: 
> > [email protected] Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:07:04 +0100 (BST) To: 
> > <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: 
> > [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle   Billl: If someone from the 
> > all over the world students studying in England hear you about this 
> > "friendly people" may give you a good slap in the face to help see reality 
> > in England.  American people are very helpful and friendly, that is a true 
> > statement.  But, THE ENGLISH LIVING IN ENGLAND?.   I don't think so!!. A 
> > high percentage of English people met,  they tended to be very friendly 
> > only when they're not in their own land or also when they want something 
> > from you. . Mayka       --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: 
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> Subje
> >
> 
> 
> 
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