all scient ific observations and therefore the conclusions come from a highly 
filtered and conditioned mind

From: Bill! ific
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:13 AM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism

  
Anthony,

And so, little grasshopper, are you saying that 'historical facts' and 
'science' aren't based on a belief system?

...Bill!

--- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> Â 
> Belief systems and historical facts are different things. It is OK to deify 
> Buddha in sutras or any scriptures compiled in the name of Buddha, as long as 
> you bear that in mind. However, historical facts such as the real life of 
> Buddha and that of the sixth Patriarch had better be maintained in as close 
> to history as possible. I consider the latter a 'science'.
> Â 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Buddhism
> 
> 
> Â  
> Anthony and ED,
> 
> I don't take any of the Sutras or the story of the Flower Sermon as absolute 
> fact. I just assume they are mythic to a greater or lessor extent. Whether or 
> not any of these things written about in the Sutras, the Bible or any other 
> Holy Books actually happened is not important to me.
> 
> I still believe the 'seeds' of Buddhism are containted in the Sutras; the 
> 'seed' of Zen is revealed in the Flower Sermon; and the 'seed' of zen (Buddha 
> Nature) already exists in every sentient being.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Anthony,
> > 
> > All teachings are continually evolving. See:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-nature>
> > 
> > I find the Flower Sutra to be magnificent. Anyway, what matter to me is
> > that the Flower Sutra edifies and inspires me - and that's all that
> > matters to me.
> > 
> > --ED
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ED,
> > >
> > > If the Flower Sermon appeared in the 14th century, while the Buddha
> > lived in the 6th Century BC, what happened in the 2,000 year gap? Did
> > the physical Buddha returned from the grave to transmit the dharma? Or
> > the 'dharmakaya' of the Buddha showed up to spread the untold teaching?
> > >
> > > Anthony
> >
>



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