Rewrisk, I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha Nature, not simply in methods applied to find your next meal.
If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you are not doing zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your attachments to the products of your mind's functions. This is usually first done by halting them. By 'your mind's functions' I mean the activities of your discriminating (rational) mind that creates dualities such as good/bad, self/other, etc... Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are you posting in another context? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@...> wrote: > > > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement. > The reality is that since the creation of the first rudimentry tools such > creative endeavour has markedly improved life for people. > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort. > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires effort. > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort. > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology. > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as my mind see's > ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of it. I control my mind > so that it does not interfere with functions I become aware of. I control my > mind so that in the fullness of awareness I can take steps to adress the > limitations of hard wired reflexive instincts. I control my mind so that I > can decide what course my life takes rather than leaving it to those > primitive instincts in the vain hope that instinct will serve me better than > I can serve myself. > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is true is valid. > But is that context the situation here Bill? > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry. > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers. > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > ED, > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your desire for > > control. > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > Just be. > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > Do? > > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's saviour. > > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds function and how to > > > exercise effective control over it. > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline. > > > Aquaint yourself with humility. > > > > > > Then Jump. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-) > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew meaning. > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy instinctive. > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind. > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
