On 2/1/2012 3:35 AM, Bill! wrote:


If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you are not doing zazen.


Is that so?

Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your attachments to the products of your mind's functions.


OK, that's a significant difference, though any severing act is a bit of egoic hubris too. When their nature is seen, the attachments have no hold and fall away without effort. Mind goes on.

This is usually first done by halting them.


Yes, I'd agree that's the common way. AKA - Doing it the hard way. The long way. For many that may be the only way that presents to them. Still, I wonder if this even works, or if it only appears so (actually I don't wonder, but this is a conversation). Many accounts sound more like utter failure/frustration with such efforts - and that failure/collapse triggering recognition, Satori.

K

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