On 8/30/2012 7:08 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > There is a lot more to it than that and you actually have to use your > reason to get to the point where you don't have to use it and can > directly experience.
I can understand this perspective, perhaps even share it in a way. I may at times express similar thoughts, but I do not to hold to such understandings as at best they are personal experiences turned into generalized projections. Others experience this differently. All OK as reflections, as pointers. No truth in any of them, beyond the truth of their expression. This "point" one may experience implies a before and after where things are different. While it may appear so, if you believe this to be so what has been realized? *L* Realized or not, there is only experiencing, only 'don't know'. Nothing to it! Nothing lacks. KG ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/