Kinda loses it's currency then.
Mike
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From: Kristopher Grey <k...@kgrey.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 21:49
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
So it appears. Seen, said, heard. Same. Suchness.
KG
On 9/2/2012 1:26 PM, mike brown wrote:
>Kris,
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>
>>"Don't know" (Which only appears to be a pithy zen saying when seen so)
>
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>Or said so.
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>
>Mike
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>
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>
>________________________________
> From: Kristopher Grey <k...@kgrey.com>
>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 16:14
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>
>
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>With or without. Why decide?
>
>"Don't know" (Which only appears to be a pithy
zen saying when seen so)
>
>KG
>
>On 9/2/2012 7:46 AM, mike brown wrote:
>
>
>>Edgar,
>>
>>Of course Realisation is not something
that happens only inside monastry walls,
but it also doesn't come from
understanding words like "ontological" and
"cognitive simulation model" either.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:31
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>>
>>
>>
>>Mike,
>>
>>
>>There are certainly times it is, but that can happen at any time....
>>Realization is not just something that occurs inside monastery walls... It
>>has nothing to do with that... It's just opening to reality and reality is
>>everywhere...
>>
>>
>>Edgar
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>>
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>>
>>
>>On Sep 2, 2012, at 5:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>Edgar,
>>>
>>>
>>>Wouldn't you say tho, that reality is less obscured during, or just after, a
>>>long retreat of meditation?
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 1:13
>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike,
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, it's reality either way, but that reality is always changing as
>>>happening continually flows through the present moment. But however it
>>>changes it is still reality....
>>>
>>>
>>>Edgar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:09 PM, mike brown wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Edgar,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Would you say that the world (inner/outer) you look at now is the same as
>>>>when you're at the end of a sesshin?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>>>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2012, 18:44
>>>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ED,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Edgar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sep 1, 2012, at 12:22 PM, ED wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Edgar,
>>>>>
>>>>>Therefore,
although each
of us is
complete, we
need to
practice
>>>>>diligently at
all times with
no objective
in mind?
>>>>>
>>>>>--ED
>>>>>
>>>>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe and
Merle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is
no 'goal' of
enlightenment
to be achieved
without which
you
>>>>>imagine you
are
incomplete....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is
no
incompleteness.
This
understanding
is an
essential
aspect
>>>>>of
realization...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wham!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edgar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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