On 9/11/2012 9:23 PM, Bill! wrote: > Pain is real. Suffering (in the way the term is used in Buddhism) is > not real. It's a 'mental model' (aka 'illusion') which is the result > of attachments which are in turn dependent upon the creation of the > dualistic concept of 'self'. > > That's IMO anyway...
Is the opinion 'real'? If so, then 'suffering' as a 'mental mode' is real in the same way. If not, there's no suffering and no opinions of it. Either way, these appear. Only the form of expression differs. Real/unreal is just more thinking. No problem. Really. ;) KG ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/