On 9/11/2012 9:23 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Pain is real. Suffering (in the way the term is used in Buddhism) is 
> not real. It's a 'mental model' (aka 'illusion') which is the result 
> of attachments which are in turn dependent upon the creation of the 
> dualistic concept of 'self'.
>
> That's IMO anyway...

Is the opinion 'real'?

If so, then 'suffering' as a 'mental mode' is real in the same way. If 
not, there's no suffering and no opinions of it.

Either way, these appear. Only the form of expression differs. 
Real/unreal is just more thinking. No problem. Really. ;)

KG


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