KG, I find it appalling you support the destruction of the planet by humans and attack those who argue against it...
The lowest of the low... Edgar On Oct 10, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > Definitive dependency - in other words you frame this in a self-supporting > way. The way a child argues when trying to sound all grown up. You might as > well just say: > > "You are a stupid baby! Stop being such a stupid baby!" *L* > > No one is denying 'reality' but you Edgar. You are perverting others words to > fit your preconceptions. You frame things as being out of control/needing to > be controlled - which is the very divisive attitude that causes all the shit > you find so wrong in the world. > > Opposition distracts. > > KG > > > On 10/10/2012 6:47 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> >> By your perverted logic it is totally OK for man to be destroying the planet >> because that's just a natural process. >> >> Grow up and get real. Zen is not clever sophisms, it's reality... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Bill! wrote: >> >>> >>> Edgar, >>> >>> What's REALLY important is that it's been framed wrong. It's been framed as >>> humans vs. nature, or as you put it humans 'interfering' in nature. As long >>> as humans think they are not part of nature and taht all their action are >>> natural there will be this problem. >>> >>> When a beaver builds a dam is that interfering with nature? When a squirrel >>> shits in the woods is that interfering with nature? When a human splits an >>> atom is that interfering with nature? When a human manipulates DNA is that >>> interfering with nature? >>> >>> What is the quality that humans have that other animals don't have that >>> renders them capable of interference - IYO? (I just made that up, IYO = 'in >>> your opinion') >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> > >>> > Come on Bill. >>> > >>> > In human discourse about Man's impact on nature, that's the way it's >>> > defined, and the whole issue is framed, as you well know... >>> > >>> > Edgar >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Bill! wrote: >>> > >>> > > Edgar, >>> > > >>> > > This was a VERY SERIOUS response. >>> > > >>> > > Why is it that you think the things that humans do are 'unnatural' or >>> > > against nature but the things that other life does is 'natural' and >>> > > okay? A friend of mine very wisely (IMO)once suggested that all ethics >>> > > should be applied to humans and other life forms equally. >>> > > >>> > > What is the quality that you believe separates humans from the rest of >>> > > nature so that human activities and artifacts can be labeled as >>> > > 'interference'? >>> > > >>> > > ...Bill! >>> > > >>> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Joe, >>> > > > >>> > > > Come on, it's a serious issue... >>> > > > >>> > > > Edgar >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Joe wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > > Edgar, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > And Humans are just the tip of the iceberg, too. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I don't know why plants and animals insist on interfering with the >>> > > > > way Nature works. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > For example, on the early earth there was a nice atmosphere without >>> > > > > oxygen. But blasted Cyanobacteria evolved which like to sip the >>> > > > > methane and other gases there were back then, and started polluting >>> > > > > the atmosphere with ...Oxygen! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Then -- wouldn't you know -- other organisms formed which turned >>> > > > > CO2 into even MORE Oxygen, with a help from light from the Sun. The >>> > > > > nerve! They got away with it, though, because there were no Police. >>> > > > > The rug was pulled out from under Nature yet again! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Later, some animals evolved, which USE the oxygen. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Much later, some of these animals of the Mammal variety called >>> > > > > "Beavers" began to INSIST that they interfere with the stately FLOW >>> > > > > of river tributaries and streams, by ...damming them up! Such >>> > > > > nerve. You may be sure that this caused inundations upstream, and >>> > > > > occasional floods downstream when the dams burst. Havoc. Bye, bye, >>> > > > > Nature! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The nerve of these organisms: Micro-organisms, Plants, and Animals. >>> > > > > Always interfering with the way Nature works! >>> > > > > >>> > > > > At least on the Moon there is no such interference, there's just a >>> > > > > continual, thin, rain of meteorites pummeling the surface, and no >>> > > > > atmosphere to make things rust. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Oops!, some exotic Mammals left some footprints on the Moon, and >>> > > > > some machinery, during the last fifty years. WHY must there always >>> > > > > be such interference? The Moon had been Nature's nice, quiet, haven >>> > > > > for rock and dust for so long. Why must things always go downhill? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > --Joe >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > On 10/7/2012 9:26 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > Why do humans always insist on interfering with the way nature >>> > > > > > > works? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> > > >
