Not for me... EDgar
On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > are my emails ending up in your spam box..they are for me...what's going > on...merle > > > to me the zen is practise practise..as joe says..and it's not just sitting > cross-legged with a straight back like a wooden plank and saying oooooooo > mmmmmmmm > it's zenning completely 24/7/365 > > merle > > > Bill, > > Yes they are active Bill, but then most of them claim they aren't dong Zen > when they ARE being active... They claim they are doing zen only when sitting > passively... That's the difference.. > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 18, 2012, at 7:49 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> >> >> Edgar, >> >> I think most zen practitioners are very active, but not active in doing the >> things you and your co-conspirator Merle are looking for. I think most zen >> practitioners are active changing the world from the bottom up rather than >> the top down. That is changing ourselves first and then radiating out, >> rather than starting at trying to change the government or society first and >> expecting the change will then trickle down to the individual. >> >> These two courses of action are discussed in detail in Arthur Koestler's >> excellent essay THE YOGI AND THE COMMISSAR . >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> > >> > KG for one... >> > >> > What Bill! says as opposed to what he actually does for another... >> > :-) >> > >> > Edgar >> > >> > >> > >> > On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Bill! wrote: >> > >> > > Edgar and Joe, >> > > >> > > Where did you get the idea that 'zen practitioners' are predominately >> > > passive? >> > > >> > > ...Bill! >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Joe" desert_woodworker@ wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Edgar, >> > > > >> > > > Welcome home! >> > > > >> > > > Right. >> > > > >> > > > And if you knew Aitken Roshi, you'd be exhausted by now even just >> > > > FOLLOWING the activism that he engaged in, much less participating in >> > > > it with him. ;-) >> > > > >> > > > But I don't know where the notion of passivity of/as Zen practitioners >> > > > comes from, which you mention. That may be the outsiders' view, due to >> > > > "media" lack of understanding, going just one half millimeter deep; >> > > > but it's not the view from the inside / our side. As you know! >> > > > >> > > > Whatever's necessary is what GOES. Look out, passivists, and >> > > > paci-fists. Here come REAL Fists! We are the true kung-fu. ;-) >> > > > >> > > > Nihilism is knee-hilism: Not in MY "zen"! ;-) >> > > > >> > > > Zen-mind operates in a way opposite to "total passivity and nihilism'; >> > > > never heard of such baloney / bullshit before now, in all my life. It >> > > > is the Life-of-Life, instead; and not a sickly concept. Again, you >> > > > know. >> > > > >> > > > Just agreeing with you. >> > > > >> > > > --Joe >> > > > >> > > > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Merle, >> > > > > >> > > > > Absolutely admirable! >> > > > > >> > > > > In spite of what some would have us believe Zen does not require >> > > > > total passivity and nihilism. >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
