Joe,

I meditate, sometimes still, sometimes moving, but it's NOT anything like the 
physically unpleasant can't wait for it to stop and the timer to ring so I can 
get up experiences I hear described by others on the group... 

Again, if I may say so your post below sounds like it was written when you've 
had a few too many which seems to often be the case in the evenings. 

You generally come across as more clear headed and closer to Zen mind earlier 
in the day...

Edgar



On Dec 13, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Joe wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> You may have missed it, but Zen Buddhism is the Meditation School.
> 
> It concentrates its practices around sitting meditation, but there are at 
> least 12 other important practices besides.
> 
> Some who sit formally at centers also sit formally at home. That means timed 
> sits. Some folks who sit at home also sit without timing(s), either all the 
> "time", or some"times".
> 
> One reason for timing is to train the body. The fact that you ask about "why" 
> to do that discloses, well, volumes about your "practice" and your body. I'll 
> say no more!
> 
> I suppose you do not sit.
> 
> I guess the temple tourism was a lark and a youthful indiscretion, never to 
> augmented once your travels led back to home. Alas, and alack. Your free-ride 
> ripped you off. 
> 
> You are co-moderator of the drop-out Corps. And you ought to be ashamed of 
> yourself, on all counts.
> 
> Ignoramus.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> > 
> > Why do you sit if you don't enjoy sitting? If it's a pain the legs, ass or 
> > mind?
> > 
> > This is a question all Zenners should ask themselves. Why if it is such a 
> > chore that they have to time themselves so they will get to stop do they do 
> > it?
> > 
> > Is torturing your body this way Zen? It reminds me of the old Christian 
> > nonsense that one has to suffer to be be a good person....
> > 
> > Edgar
> 
> 

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