Bill!,

It's my training in Philosophy and formal logic talking.

A concept may be rational -- in every sense -- even if no empirical proof or 
demonstration is yet available for it.

For example: "String Theory" in modern Physics may be a rational theory and 
"strings" may be a rational concept, even if experiments to demonstrate the 
existence of strings have not been devised, or have thus far shown negative 
results.  Those Physicists working on "strings" think they are being UTTERLY 
rational and that their science is rational, even if, perhaps, they've been 
wasting their time for the last 35 years in the development of the theory, or 
find, finally, that it is un-testable.

Of course I know where you're coming from with regard to Zen practice and to 
our lived experience, especially in regard to realization.  I hope I'm coming 
from there too!  ;-)

But my Philosophical training sometime asserts myself and wants to see the 
world adhere to technical understanding and use of Philosophical technical 
terms.  ;-)

I know it's "unreasonable" of me.  But, hey, my education was very expensive 
and pretty painful!  ;-)

Just wait until somebody tells me that I or somebody has "a VALID point": 
drives me up the wall!  ;-)

Strong practice, now,

--Joe

--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> Right, sort of.
> 
> To be a 'rationalist' is to be someone who depends on rationality which is 
> clearly illusory.
> 
> As someone who practices zen which is based entirely on experience I would 
> hope I would be an 'experientialist' - or a 'realist'.




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