Thank you very much, Bill!(!)
The Cleary is the transl. that makes the more familiar sense in s. Arizona's
climate. ;-)
--Joe
PS Our wonderful Roshi, the late Pat Hawk, gave teisho on this case from time
to time. So did John Tarrant, when we once famously had sesshin here in a
large tent in late Spring when we were "between zendos", and in process of
closing on a building we'd bought, and before we could renovate the building in
time. Temps. during that 7-day sesshin outdoors with Tarrant were over 100 deg
each day. That was a week when the comet Hale-Bopp was very bright in the
western sky after sunset. BTW, funny, when we took the tent down, our week's
kinhin walking inside the tent had left a brown path of dead grass on the lawn
in the yard of the member's house where we erected the tent and held sesshin,
right in a neighborhood here. Dokusan room was inside the house. So was the
kitchen. ;-) I was John's Jisha. This was a sesshin in which James Ishmael
Ford was Tanto, and it was a very strong sesshin. James is VERY good and very
strong with the stick, by the way. He is a Roshi now, in Tarrant's line.
Tarrant co-taught that sesshin with Joan Sutherland Roshi, another one of
Tarrant's heirs. What a sesshin!, on green grass, under the big-top, and with
lots of fresh air. We killed ourselves with heat (and not cold), two teachers,
and very strong leadership, and survived. The lawn was the worse for it. ;-)
But what a sight that lawn was, during, and after!
> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> The Cleary translation is pretty much the same except the last response. It
> is, "When it's cold, the cold kills you, when it's hot, the heat kills you."
>
> The translation I used was from Jivacandra, a zen blogger from San Francisco.
> I don't know much about him but just wanted a version of the koan I could
> cut and paste. His translation seemed to express the same message to me -
> and that is when realizing Buddha Nature you are just experiencing. There is
> no cold, no heat - Just THIS!
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